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re: Explain what caused the towers to collspse.

Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:22 pm to
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14519 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:22 pm to
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I’m no fan of the Feds and love a good conspiracy theory but the towers fell on their own without explosives secretly installed before. I’m just laughing at people that think the airliners were holograms.


So you don't think holograms are real? Ha, now who is the unhinged nut job!
Posted by geauxtigers
biloxi ms
Member since Nov 2003
1444 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:27 pm to
no you stfu
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1132 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:30 pm to
cool, now do where did the engines all go?

the mass, velocity and fact the engine was under trust, but not 1 engine popped out

and before you say it melted, what are the rotor/blades made from?

5 planes, 10 engines
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101727 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:30 pm to
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There were many workers in the towers who reported elevators that went from ground to top floor were out of service for "upgrades" for long periods of time before 9/11 and workers in the building working on them.


That's not exactly an unusual sight or phenomenon from my experience in 60s-70s office buildings.
Posted by skeeter531
Member since Jun 2014
2410 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:34 pm to
exactly--nobody would give a second thought to elevators being worked on.Worked on with what, is the question.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26772 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:36 pm to
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the mass, velocity and fact the engine was under trust, but not 1 engine popped out

Wrong. One of Flight 175's engines are on display at the 9/11 museum. It flew straight through the building and ended up in the middle of the street blocks away. The other three engines (from the two planes) mostly broke apart, but they absolutely have found parts of them. There are also pieces of landing gear from both planes that hit the tower, and pieces of the fuselage and other parts were recovered from all 5 aircraft.

They still randomly locate aircraft parts around lower Manhattan between buildings, on roofs, etc.
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 12:40 pm
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57431 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:37 pm to
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the mass, velocity and fact the engine was under trust, but not 1 engine popped out
show us the math.
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1132 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:37 pm to
why did the inertia of the engines not cause them to continue straight thru the building?
they were probably at full throttle
and they don't just stop running
Posted by Nawlens Gator
louisiana
Member since Sep 2005
5843 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:38 pm to

Jet fuel burns at 800 to 2500 deg F. At 1000 deg F the strength of structural steel is 20% of what it is at ambient temp. The planes crashing in at 500 mph destroyed many support beams which increased load on remaining beams. Fewer beams with higher loads and weakening strength as they heated up caused what happened.

Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26772 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:38 pm to
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why did the inertia of the engines not cause them to continue straight thru the building?

At least one of them did, almost entirely intact. They have found pieces of all of the others.
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1132 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:40 pm to
if you understood physics

you could do it,

simple ratios
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1132 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:42 pm to
the day of the "event" no engines in the destruction pics

all locations

but, hey they found passports unburned, so anything is possible, I guess
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1132 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:45 pm to
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Yes, except for one little issue. Damage and weakening from heat would not have been uniform across the damaged floors. This would make one area fail before the others and that would translate to the upper part of the building falling at an angle or toward the weakened side. It's unlikely that the top would have fallen straight down, and it did. Twice.


exactly, random bending would have not allowed it to drop straight down

on both towers
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26772 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:50 pm to
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the day of the "event" no engines in the destruction pics

all locations

but, hey they found passports unburned, so anything is possible, I guess


Who told you that there were no pictures of the engines? And why are you artificially focused on the engines? Are you saying that the landing gear, seats, fuselage, wing portions, luggage, body parts, and flight crew documents were all faked? And your evidence for that is you have not seen a picture of flight 175's intact engine in the middle of Church Street from that day?

ETA: Since you are going to try and pivot to Flight 77, there is are multiple pictures of portions of the turbofans in pictures taken on 9/11 at the Pentagon.
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 12:53 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262007 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:51 pm to
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the day of the "event" no engines in the destruction pics


Hard to believe this lie is still around.

Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101727 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:51 pm to
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exactly, random bending would have not allowed it to drop straight down

on both towers


How have you reached this conclusion?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262007 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:52 pm to
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caused massive steel I beams to fail?


Yes. I don't know why people over the age of 10 struggle with this.

Heat compromises integrity.

Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1132 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:54 pm to
and most structures, and pressure vessels are built with a minimum of 300% safety factor

so, at 50% reduction you are down to 250% SF

also the heat would be transfered thru all the steel,

this would cool the steel directly under the fire,

transfering heat
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262007 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:55 pm to
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How have you reached this conclusion?


Fairy tales.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262007 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:55 pm to
What caused this collapse?

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