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Posted on 12/1/23 at 9:11 am to H-Town Tiger
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Then why bother to play the games if we already know what’s going to happen so much that we disregard what actually happened
I wouldn't have a gripe with 12-1 Texas getting in over 12-1 Alabama, but your argument holds no water. The "why even play" moan means you should look at the totality of all the games played, not one. There isn't an argument going on that Oklahoma is better than Texas.
Why even play the games is going to turn into why schedule a decent OOC opponent when the risk outweighs the reward. Whether Bama or Texas gets in, the other team is going to feel screwed and like it made no sense to even schedule that game in the first place.
Oregon, Washington, and Michigan are comfortably in the conversation and neither played anyone decent OOC. If that's the formula going forward then that's what we're all going to get. 4 cupcakes instead of two.
If Alabama played Maryland in week two, a "power 5" opponent, then they would be comfortably in the top 3 right now. Why bother to play the games is right. If a 12-1 SEC champ with 3 top 15 wins is left out of a 4 team playoff, why bother to play the (tough) games?
College football is more unique than any other sport when it comes to scheduling disparity. Due to the shear number of teams there's really no "right" way to do it outside of superconferences and round robin all superconference opponents
If LSU was sitting outside the top 4 right now with only a loss to FSU, and wins over Ole Miss, Alabama, and Georgia tomorrow, you would be singing a different tune. That's a fact. You would point out that the loss was in week 1, that FSU's schedule only included 1 top 25 win and their opponents have a losing record. I get it, you hate Alabama, but it would be a resonating precedent set if a 12-1 Alabama was left out. The argument shouldn't even be between texas and alabama for what it's worth, both have a better resume than Oregon and FSU
Posted on 12/1/23 at 9:45 am to Fun Bunch
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Texas should be in.
I do not understand why they are not
Agreed. Head-2-Head with Bama with the common opponent of TTech where Texas won by 50 and Oregon took the lead with 1:10 left.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 10:01 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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I wouldn't have a gripe with 12-1 Texas getting in over 12-1 Alabama, but your argument holds no water. The "why even play" moan means you should look at the totality of all the games played, not one. There isn't an argument going on that Oklahoma is better than Texas.
I was responding to a specific comment that said games played 10 weeks ago shouldn’t hold much water and more importantly that Alabama would “crush” Texas if they played now. Bama was -7.5 the first time so saying they would “crush” Texas is speculative. Of course they could win a rematch but that’s not how it works.
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Oregon, Washington, and Michigan are comfortably in the conversation and neither played anyone decent OOC. If that's the formula going forward then that's what we're all going to get. 4 cupcakes instead of two.
You are preaching to the choir I’ve argued this for years. I would however note that those conferences play 9 games instead of 8 in the SEC. Oregon did at least play a P5 team TTU on the road.
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If LSU was sitting outside the top 4 right now with only a loss to FSU, and wins over Ole Miss, Alabama, and Georgia tomorrow, you would be singing a different tune.
Wow, didn’t know we’ve ever met, such great insight you have into what I would argue. However your scenario misses context. If the choice was between 12-1 LSU and 12-1 Florida St, Florida St should get the spot. If it was 12-1 LSU and 12-1 Texas it would be LSU and if it was 12-1 Bama vs 12-1 FSU it would be Bama. Head to head should matter in these cases. I get your argument about why schedule those games but should teams that are in weaker conferences that do be punished?
It’s bad luck for Alabama that you scheduled a team that lost 4 games every full season since 2009 (3 in Covid year) and they turned out to be really good. Bama has had more than their fair share of good luck in these situations 2011 Ok St 2012 Oregon and KSU and 2017 Wisconsin losing to clear a path, for once your path gets blocked and everyone wants to melt.
Hopefully Georgia makes it a mute point
Posted on 12/1/23 at 10:47 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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Oregon, Washington, and Michigan are comfortably in the conversation and neither played anyone decent OOC
And the 1 undefeated team some are arguing could/should excluded for 1 loss teams is Florida St, who not only plays Florida every year they also scheduled LSU. Not their fault Florida sucks and LSU lost 2 other games.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 10:55 am to H-Town Tiger
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And the 1 undefeated team some are arguing could/should excluded for 1 loss teams is Florida St, who not only plays Florida every year they also scheduled LSU. Not their fault Florida sucks and LSU lost 2 other games.
If the team that played against LSU was the same team as today, no one would be arguing that Florida State should be kept out. You have to factor in the loss of their most impactful offensive player.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 10:58 am to Riseupfromtherubble
I think SEC Champ gets in, regardless. And the runner up is out. If Texas wins, you cannot leave them out over the SEC runner up. But it won’t matter, I predict no chaos this weekend
1. Jawja
2. Michigan
3. Oregon
4. Texas or FSU
1. Jawja
2. Michigan
3. Oregon
4. Texas or FSU
Posted on 12/1/23 at 12:10 pm to Epic Cajun
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You have to factor in the loss of their most impactful offensive player.
No you don’t. That’s not fair to the other kids in the roster and Ohio St won it all with a 3rd string QB. You have to judge the teams on what they did not speculations and what ifs
Posted on 12/1/23 at 12:14 pm to H-Town Tiger
Ohio St beat Wisconsin 59-0 in the Big 10 title game. Cardale Jones was the MVP.
Will FSU beat Louisville in similar fashion?
Will FSU beat Louisville in similar fashion?
Posted on 12/1/23 at 12:26 pm to benson32
I don’t know and I don’t care if they are 13-0 they should be in the playoff.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 1:26 pm to H-Town Tiger
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No you don’t. That’s not fair to the other kids in the roster and Ohio St won it all with a 3rd string QB. You have to judge the teams on what they did not speculations and what ifs
The chairman said that they take injuries into consideration. You aren't the same team if you are missing your most impactful player. If they limp out a win by 3 points, they shouldn't make the playoff. The committee is supposed to select the best 4 teams, not the 4 "most deserving" teams.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 1:37 pm to Epic Cajun
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The committee is supposed to select the best 4 teams, not the 4 "most deserving" teams.
There has to be some blend of deserving. If not Alabama was in last year and the universe would have melted.
If it was about the four best teams as long as Smart and Saban are at Alabama and Georgia you could just let them scrimmage against each other periodically through the season and give them an automatic bid. Ohio State would probably get an automatic bid annually as well.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 1:40 pm to Jon Ham
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If Oregon and Texas win, who should be ranked higher, and why?
Ok there's this thing of common opponents. Texas tech. Oregon needed a 20 point come from behind 4th quarter to win by 8.
Texas put fricking arch manning in the game. And won by literally half a hundred. Texas should be ranked higher.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 1:46 pm to rolltide32
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There has to be some blend of deserving. If not Alabama was in last year and the universe would have melted.
If it was about the four best teams as long as Smart and Saban are at Alabama and Georgia you could just let them scrimmage against each other periodically through the season and give them an automatic bid. Ohio State would probably get an automatic bid annually as well.
Obviously you have to have a blend of the two, but I look at an FSU team without Travis the same as I would look at the G5 teams that go undefeated. Sure, you beat the teams in front of you, but no one at this point in time thinks that you are a top 4 team in the country. Hell, FSU without Travis is probably barely a top 25 team. If this was a 12 team playoff, then whatever, give them a shot, but you're looking at leaving another P5 champion for this team who everyone agrees isn't that good anymore.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 1:57 pm to Epic Cajun
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Hell, FSU without Travis is probably barely a top 25 team
They would still be a top 25 team, especially with how down this year has been. They're 8th in DF plus and they have the ability to run the ball effectively, they just haven't ran it ton because they've skewed a little more pass because of Travis. If they get competent QB with the playmakers they have, especially Coleman, they aren't getting housed by anybody and could still bet a lot of other top 25 teams.
I mean they Missouri, Penn State, and Ole Miss are ranked 9-11 in CFB right now. I would call FSU against any of them w/o Travis around a coinflip.
Georgia probably beats FSU without Travis something like 31-7.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 2:28 pm to rolltide32
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They would still be a top 25 team, especially with how down this year has been. They're 8th in DF plus and they have the ability to run the ball effectively, they just haven't ran it ton because they've skewed a little more pass because of Travis. If they get competent QB with the playmakers they have, especially Coleman, they aren't getting housed by anybody and could still bet a lot of other top 25 teams.
I mean they Missouri, Penn State, and Ole Miss are ranked 9-11 in CFB right now. I would call FSU against any of them w/o Travis around a coinflip.
Georgia probably beats FSU without Travis something like 31-7.
So you think they are the 10th best team in the country? Do you think they are better than Texas?
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:35 pm to Epic Cajun
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So you think they are the 10th best team in the country?
If I'm doing this off my personal opinion straight power rankings without worrying about resume:
With Jordan Travis
Group A (Teams that are actually good enough to win a national championship)
1. Georgia
2. Texas
3. Alabama
4. Michigan
5. Ohio State
6. Oregon
7. Florida State
Group B(Teams that are really good but not good enough to win a national championship)
8. LSU
9. Washington
10. Oklahoma
11. Missouri
12. Penn State
13. Ole Miss
14. Clemson
15. Notre Dame
I think Florida State is backend group A with Travis. Without Travis I would have them somewhere in group B. Maybe all the way at the back of group B but I wouldn't drop them into group C. Group C is full of teams that suck. This may be the weakest year at the backend of the top 25 I've seen that suck this bad. I can't in good faith make a power ranking that goes past the top 15 because there is nothing powerful about anybody else in the country.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:51 pm to rpg37
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First tie breaker is H2H. Bottom line.
Ask 1993 Notre Dame about this.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 4:33 pm to H-Town Tiger
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You have to judge the teams on what they did not speculations and what ifs
100%
Any discussion of an undefeated power 5 being left out because a player got injured is completely absurd.
They kicked LSU’s arse with Travis playing sub par for a half, there is a lot more that makes that team go than just him.
Posted on 12/2/23 at 1:21 am to Riseupfromtherubble
quote:I think that's going to be the reasoning with schedules going forward.
Oregon, Washington, and Michigan are comfortably in the conversation and neither played anyone decent OOC. If that's the formula going forward then that's what we're all going to get. 4 cupcakes instead of two.
If Alabama played Maryland in week two, a "power 5" opponent, then they would be comfortably in the top 3 right now. Why bother to play the games is right. If a 12-1 SEC champ with 3 top 15 wins is left out of a 4 team playoff, why bother to play the (tough) games?
The SEC just added Texas and Oklahoma, the Big 10 just added Oregon, Washington and USC (and UCLA too). That's a major OOC game that just got shoved into the conference schedule, for the contenders in each conference.
Your conference schedule alone will be good enough to get you in, if you can win 10 games in the regular season. There's no reason to play with fire by adding a potential loss to your record... LSU would be 10-2 and in the mix (as Ole Miss is now).
It looks great if you can win it, but it can make the whose season a case in desperation if you lose.
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