What other package did he have? Do you think the Celtics were seriously floating Tatum out there? Of course not. Also - he was not able to "choose the package and team." Anthony Davis made it abundantly clear who he was going to resign with - the lakers. This was not some spur of the moment trade involving a guy with 3 years left on his deal. This was a superstar demanding out and dictating exactly where he went.

Also, why are we pretending we didn't get a great package in return? Brandon Ingram was an all star, MIP, and very good playoff player (until this year when he was injured.) Lonzo, while he wasn't GREAT here, played well as a facilitatiing PG. He didn't buy into that role here as much as we would have liked, and we should have gotten more from him in that trade. Josh Hart played great here and got us CJ McCollum, who, despite his recent performance, is a large part of the reason we have been pretty good the last three years. Hart is now starting on a playoff team.

We then got a shite ton of picks and swaps, which with the news of Lebron likely opting out, become massive for us in the 2025 draft.

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You are missing the entire point.

What is the point?

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The point is Griff had all three to do what he pleased with. And we are no better now than before he arrived.

No he didn't, and this is objectively incorect. We have been in the post season three consecutive years. It sucks that we're not further down the road, but we are better than we were in 2019.

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But he was an all star and good enough to be the number 3 on a championship team.

He was the #3 on a championship team with the best player in the NBA

we didn't have that.

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’m arguing about what he had at the time in trade value. They weren’t broken down and old. Both were in their prime and top assets jeez.

We traded Jrue Holiday for a 30 year old who was coming off two consectuive all defense seasons while putting up 15-5-5. The pelicans also received 3 unprotected first round picks, 2 picks swaps, Steven Adams, and Trey Murphy (by extension) from that deal. I would say that's great value for 30 year old Jrue Holiday. None of the picks have even happened yet

There's FOUR future picks/swaps we have right now.

Jrue was also due for a big contract extension, which he received with the Bucks. What happens in a world where we give that to him and somehow also land Trey Murphy (which we wouldn't have)? Who gets the extensions? Do we let BI walk for nothing? Do we trade Zion?

You're not looking at this from every angle. You're looking at it like we just gave Jrue Holiday to the Bucks for Eric Bledsoe even though we could have gotten some 20 year old all star instead.

It was objectively a good trade. You have to take risks in the NBA. The pelicans took a risk. Giannis was rumored to want out of Milwaukee at that time. You're ignoring a multitude of factors that played a big role in all of this.

I'm frustrated with how this season ended. I do think we have the pieces needed to make a big move this summer. If we don't, then I will 100% be on board with you that Griff has been an abject failure. We have to wait and see.

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Posted on 4/30/24 at 5:37 pm to PP7 for heisman

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No he didn't, and this is objectively incorect. We have been in the post season three consecutive years. It sucks that we're not further down the road, but we are better than we were in 2019.

Pretty sure when the playoffs started last year, we were not in it. That’s a stretch to count play in games as making the postseason lol. And the year before the West was historically bad due to injuries from stars. We had a losing record. Not really some big success story like you claim. Any normal year, that team doesn’t sniff the playoffs….That was an extreme outlier.

Hell, we were one loss away from being home for the playoffs this year lol. And that’s with a healthy Zion all year.

Pretty disingenuous to sit here and spout this shite about this being a postseason team three years in a row.

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Posted by Townedrunkard

Member since Jan 2019

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Posted on 4/30/24 at 5:44 pm to PP7 for heisman

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We traded Jrue Holiday for a 30 year old who was coming off two consectuive all defense seasons while putting up 15-5-5. The pelicans also received 3 unprotected first round picks, 2 picks swaps, Steven Adams, and Trey Murphy (by extension) from that deal. I would say that's great value for 30 year old Jrue Holiday. None of the picks have even happened yet There's FOUR future picks/swaps we have right now.

Are you Griff? First off, Bledsoe was no assset at the time, he probably had negative value. He played like crap in the playoffs and Bucks were desperate to unload him and his contract.

We did not draft Trey with any of the picks from either trade, so that is also wrong. So don’t give those trades credit for us getting Trey. And hate to break it to you, but we have one pick left from the Bucks. That’s it. He blew one on Adams and the one next year goes to the Blazers unless it hits the lotto, which his highly unlikely. Dont know what you are talking about having four left. You got one from the Lakers likely to be used next year and one from the Bucks left. That’s it.

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