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re: Updated Draft Express Mock
Posted on 2/21/12 at 1:49 pm to tehchampion140
Posted on 2/21/12 at 1:49 pm to tehchampion140
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Drummond looks like he's going to be a huge bust. I don't see anything special about him.
I don't claim to watch as much college basketball as some of you guys do, but that sounds a little harsh at this point. From everything I read from scouting reports, the guy is very athletic and has a brain, but he could use another year in college. He could be a very good draft choice if he's handled right. It may take a couple of years to develop, but if he pans out that would be great.
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Posted on 2/21/12 at 1:52 pm to TigerinATL
True.
Posted on 2/21/12 at 1:56 pm to TigerinATL
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Remember that right now most mocks are just matching up a player ranking with team records and not taking team needs into account.
Like we were saying the other day, Demps ain't consutling websites.
Posted on 2/21/12 at 2:10 pm to VOR
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I don't claim to watch as much college basketball as some of you guys do, but that sounds a little harsh at this point.
It's not. Although he'd be a bust in the same way Reggie Bush is a bust. He's just not worth a top 5 pick. I think he'll end up being like a DeAndre Jordan/JaVale McGee type of athletic center that can be a solid starter but will never be even a quasi all star type.
Posted on 2/21/12 at 2:15 pm to TigerinATL
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Short term, maybe. But long term, Drummond has elite potential. Barnes' own ceiling puts him somewhere between Luol Deng, Paul Pierce, and Danny Granger.
If Barnes becomes around those guys, him along with a Eric Gordon (assuming we resign him) would be a pretty good combo.
Posted on 2/21/12 at 2:48 pm to TigerinATL
The draft is a floor/ceiling decision. Drummond's floor and ceiling are both higher than a guy like Barnes, hence why he's the higher projected pick. With Drummond, at worst you get a Jordan/McGee type player. Barnes floor is a Chase Budinger/Dorrel Wright, 6'8 player who only has one real NBA skill (jump shot).
I also don't see Barnes ceiling as high as some others, Pierce and Deng are elite wing defenders, something Barnes will never be. In my opinion, you would have to be 100 percent sure that Barnes is going to be Granger and Drummond is only going to be Jordan to justify that pick.
I also don't see Barnes ceiling as high as some others, Pierce and Deng are elite wing defenders, something Barnes will never be. In my opinion, you would have to be 100 percent sure that Barnes is going to be Granger and Drummond is only going to be Jordan to justify that pick.
Posted on 2/21/12 at 2:52 pm to floridatigah
Even though I'd prefer us picking Barnes over Drummond, that's a very good argument.
Posted on 2/21/12 at 3:02 pm to floridatigah
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With Drummond, at worst you get a Jordan/McGee type player.
I think in 3-5 year's you're likely to get that, but I would say his floor is much lower than that. Right now he's a big with no shooting ability and a very questionable motor.
This post was edited on 2/21/12 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 2/21/12 at 3:10 pm to TigerinATL
Saying Barnes can't be an elite defender isn't correct at all.
Davis
Barnes
TRob
Drummond
MKG
Sullinger
That is the list.
Lillard is looking intriguing if Minn's pick is around 11 or 12.
Davis
Barnes
TRob
Drummond
MKG
Sullinger
That is the list.
Lillard is looking intriguing if Minn's pick is around 11 or 12.
Posted on 2/21/12 at 3:15 pm to TigerinATL
I feel like people are a little hesitant on Drummond because he hasn't exploded and because UCONN just Thabeet who is a bust, but Drummond is a different player than Thabeet and I'd take Drummond over Barnes.
Posted on 2/21/12 at 3:17 pm to Coach D
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Lillard is looking intriguing if Minn's pick is around 11 or 12.
Think that's a little too high for him and are we looking for a scoring PG.
Posted on 2/21/12 at 3:19 pm to T1gerWonder
Okafor being a UCONN guy hasn't helped either.
While I may disagree at this point, I don't see the brain trust passing up on Drummond for Barnes.
While I may disagree at this point, I don't see the brain trust passing up on Drummond for Barnes.
Posted on 2/21/12 at 3:25 pm to corndeaux
The UCONN big man bust argument is silly. You could just as easily say the same stuff about Barnes because of Marvin Williams, Brandan Wright, and Ed Davis.
Posted on 2/21/12 at 3:29 pm to T1gerWonder
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I feel like people are a little hesitant on Drummond because he hasn't exploded and because UCONN just Thabeet who is a bust
Thabeet
Hilton Armstrong
Emeka Okafor who won national college player of the year at UCONN
So yes, UCONN's center history is one strike against him.
Strike 2 = sucking as a freshman with world class physical ability. People like comparing him to Dwight, well Dwight averaged 12/10 as a rookie against NBA players at the same stage of development that Drummond is averaging 10/7 against college players.
Strike 3 = mama's boy that is being shielded from the press. This actually is a bit of a positive long term because you would hope it means he just needs to grow up but for right now it is a red flag.
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It’s not like we haven’t tried to get in touch with Andre Drummond. We’ve been trying for a while now. Trying our best.
We started trying last spring, back when Drummond was still in prep school at Connecticut’s St. Thomas More School. We spoke to his coach, Jere Quinn, a guy who’s used to dealing with big-time players and national media. This was a few months before anyone knew that Drummond would spend the ’11-12 season playing college basketball. Like we do whenever we’re trying to get in touch with a top high school player, we asked his coach to help us talk to Drummond; Quinn told us Drummond was a “great kid” and a “good story,” but added that his mother, Christine, had been limiting press access.
We never did talk to Andre.
We’re not mad at his mom for trying to regulate the non-stop interview requests. And we understood last fall—after Drummond had blown the minds of prep basketball watchers and college hoop fans alike by reclassifying to 2011 and committing to a UConn squad that a) had just won the NCAA Championship, and b) didn’t actually have a scholarship to spare—why folks in Storrs might want to ease into letting Drummond tell his story. What we didn’t expect, after six weeks of trying, was that we’d never even get Andre Drummond on the phone.
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I would consider taking a chance on Drummond only if it was with our 2nd pick and we felt we got one sure fire stud out of the draft.
Posted on 2/21/12 at 3:32 pm to saintsfan22
It is silly, but that is the perception and, unfortunately, some people buy into it.
Posted on 2/21/12 at 3:32 pm to saintsfan22
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The UCONN big man bust argument is silly.
Maybe.
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Barnes because of Marvin Williams,
I've also heard this comparison
Posted on 2/21/12 at 3:33 pm to TigerinATL
+1
Posted on 2/21/12 at 3:39 pm to Coach D
I've never seen anyone consider Barnes a potential elite NBA defender. Not trying to be a dick but is this just your opinion or do you have anything to back that up?
He has below average lateral quickness, going to struggle guarding quicker players, which is a huge problem as an NBA SF.
He has below average lateral quickness, going to struggle guarding quicker players, which is a huge problem as an NBA SF.
Posted on 2/21/12 at 3:50 pm to TigerinATL
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Strike 3 = mama's boy that is being shielded from the press. This actually is a bit of a positive long term because you would hope it means he just needs to grow up but for right now it is a red flag.
The dude was in high school. Seems like his mom is smarter than most by limiting his access to the media.
Posted on 2/21/12 at 3:57 pm to saintsfan22
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The dude was in high school.
But they still haven't gotten an interview with him now that he's in college.
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Seems like his mom is smarter than most by limiting his access to the media.
I don't disagree, and I wouldn't be surprised if his mother was part of him saying he might stay in school. He probably needs to, because having your mother handle your business for you is a sign of immaturity, but he is still just a kid. Like I said it's one of those red flags short term but potential for improvement long term. I'm not anti Drummond, just anti pinning all of our hopes on him with our only top 5 pick.
This post was edited on 2/21/12 at 3:58 pm
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