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Posted on 11/6/16 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 11/6/16 at 10:51 pm
Been an LSU fan my entire life. Have gone to the past four 'Bama games. This year we lost because of our O-line. Not Eitling, not the refs. But, and this is the biggest reason we have lost five in a row. We need to get rid of the bye week before this game. Look at how well Ole Miss and Arkansas does early in the season. We struggle because we are giving Saban two weeks to prepare for us. Even still we play them tough but if we got rid of the bye week before I bet we win at least two of the last three games. Move the bye to after the 'bama game so we can recover and our season is totally different.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 10:54 pm to pjb202
Why? Bama is still gonna have a bye before our game anyway? It doesn't do us any good
Posted on 11/6/16 at 10:55 pm to pjb202
Do you really think that giving Saban a bye without taking a bye for ourselves gives us an advantage?
Posted on 11/6/16 at 10:57 pm to pjb202
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This year we lost because of our O-line
Lost when Saban won in recruting.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 10:58 pm to pjb202
Saban would only need two minutes to scheme that offense.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 11:01 pm to ScubaTiger
No. My point was and it may be wrong was bama was taking a bye because we had asked for a bye before playing them. It's a little odd that the last five years we have both had bye's before playing each other
Posted on 11/6/16 at 11:19 pm to pjb202
Since it has been both teams toughest game recently, its not odd at all.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 11:33 pm to pjb202
I'm so sick of the OL excuse. I know ain't no way in hell Ole Miss's OL has been as good as LSU's and they still find a way to score. Arkansas's OL has had Austin Allen bludgeoned this year, yet they put up 30 on Bama. Even Tennessee and TAMU put up 10 and 14 respectively, and I know for damn sure their OL isn't better than LSU's. USC's OL was very limited at the beginning of the year, and they at least managed to get close enough to score 2 FGs and had 194 total yards on a neutral field.
No. LSU had talented receivers, experienced and decent OL, frigging Fournette, a 4 star QB in Etling, and playing at home where they have been disrespected as of late by Bama, and was completely shut out.
Western Kentucky had 10 points, 236 yards, and averaged 3.98 yards per play on the road.
Kent State had 0 points, had 166 yards, and averaged 3.61 yards per played on the road.
LSU had 0 points, had 125 yards, and averaged 2.45 yards per play at home.
LSU was the worst or tied for the worst in all three of those categories that Bama faced all year, while at the same time being at home, being the most experienced, having the most talent (by far), and having the most talented depth on offense. LSU's defense was the only one that held Bama under 33 points all year and despite all this, we were complete and utter garbage on offense.
No. LSU had talented receivers, experienced and decent OL, frigging Fournette, a 4 star QB in Etling, and playing at home where they have been disrespected as of late by Bama, and was completely shut out.
Western Kentucky had 10 points, 236 yards, and averaged 3.98 yards per play on the road.
Kent State had 0 points, had 166 yards, and averaged 3.61 yards per played on the road.
LSU had 0 points, had 125 yards, and averaged 2.45 yards per play at home.
LSU was the worst or tied for the worst in all three of those categories that Bama faced all year, while at the same time being at home, being the most experienced, having the most talent (by far), and having the most talented depth on offense. LSU's defense was the only one that held Bama under 33 points all year and despite all this, we were complete and utter garbage on offense.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 8:52 am to pjb202
Keep in mind that the schools doesn't decide the schedule. The SEC sets the conference schedule. The schools then decide when to fill the other dates with OOC teams and a bye week. Both teams were set to not have a conference game the week prior to this game. So they could either schedule an OOC game or use it as a bye. All schools must schedule their bye and OOC games around the conference schedule. So a school can't set a bye for when they want per se. There is some flexibility, but they still have to work around the conference schedule.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 9:17 am to pjb202
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Give me two minutes
That's what I tell the ladies
Posted on 11/7/16 at 9:56 am to Datbayoubengal
Most of the teams that made any headway against the Bama D have two things in common that LSU does NOT have:
1. A modern offensive scheme with a QB and a coach that can run that scheme.
2. A much lower "attention profile" from Nick Saban.
For #1: Ole Miss, Western Kentucky, and Arkansas all have (a) QB's that are mobile and can throw accurately and deep, (b) gameplans that took advantage of their offensive strengths and Bama's defensive weaknesses (few as they may be), and (c) most of their OL's are staffed by players playing the right position for their skillset.
And for USC - they tossed Max Browne in favor of Sam Darnold, who's more of a dual-threat RPO guy and now has USC playing very good ball. If Darnold had been the starter against Bama, USC might have actually been a threat to the Gumps in the first game of the year.
Now, do ANY of those teams sound like LSU? Etling's good for what he is, but in NO way is he at or near the same level as Austin Allen, Machine-gun Kelly, or whatever QB Coach Brohm decides to plug in to his system at WKU.
And as far as Tennessee goes, Josh Dobbs may be the best example of a stud QB being completely screwed up by his coach, so no surprises there (and no real comparison to Etling, either).
So if your QB is just fair-to-middlin', and you have THE stud RB squad in the nation and some really talented WR's, what's the ONE thing that can either make that offense successful or completely tank them despite their talent?
Buhler? Buhler? Anyone?
Yep, the sleepy stoner in the back of the class is right: it's the OFFENSIVE LINE.
We now have a mid-tier pro-style QB that replaced a dual-threat QB early in the season. The current team practiced with that DTQB in the spring and fall camps, and had to adjust to Etling after the season started. Even if they kept the same playbook (with a few more plays now being used), the ones affected most by a change in QB style are the OL.
The end result is what you saw on the field Saturday night: an OL that was nowhere near prepared for Bama's 5-star front 7. Even with all the weapons elsewhere on the field, the OL couldn't keep Bama from completely disrupting any play before it had a chance to get started.
That doesn't mean our OL players are "bad". Far from it. The problem is that our offensive scheme was built for The Ghost of Schembechler's Three-Yards-And-A-Cloud-Of-Dust philosophy. That's why Les recruited and played big, road-grading guards that he thought could move any defensive line at least 2-4 yards per play.
The fast, athletic tackles needed in modern football were pretty much an afterthought, as was making ANY use of the TE's as anything other than an extra blocking OL on the end.
To put it another way (the TL/DR version): Our OL is staffed with excellent players being asked to play outside their natural positions in a scheme that rose up from the grave of the 70's. Throw in a coaching change, a change in QB and QB style, a shift in offensive philosophy and a BUNCH of injuries.
Is it any wonder the OL couldn't hold up to Bama? Or is it that hard to believe that they were the weak link in our goose egg loss (and will the biggest weakness for the rest of the season)?
for #2: Little Nicky has repeatedly said that the LSU game is always the one they plan for most. Other SECW teams may rise and fall (re: Arky, Ole Piss, the Barn, etc...). But the one team that consistently poses a threat to Bama is LSU. There's extra juice for their game with us, and the entire Bama team does nothing for two weeks but gameplan for us.
Considering they've beaten us 6 times in a row, it may seem silly to say that they view LSU as their biggest threat every year. I'd suggest, however, that the added attention we get from them BECAUSE of that perceived threat is the very reason they always seem to have the magic snake-oil to pull off a win.
I'd also be willing to bet that beating them in their house in 2011, and then (rightfully) complaining to the world that we shouldn't have to play them again in the NCG gave them the only bulletin board fodder they'd need for the next decade: disrespect.
It's fair to say that most of the CFB world (rightfully) didn't think Bama should be in the NC game. Not only had we already beaten them once, there were other CFB teams that believed they had a better resume than Bama to meet us in the NCG.
I'm no Bama fan, but I can easily imagine their perception of national disrespect affected Saban and his team. They came out determined to make a statement, and they did (21-0 is a pretty good statement). They wanted to poke their thumb in the eyes of all the critics and teams that thought they didn't belong in that game. Mission accomplished.
I also think Bama continues to believe they have a special mission to beat LSU down every year because of that situation. As a Bama fan once told me - if it had been ANY other team than LSU, they're certain that there wouldn't have been any question of Bama's "worthiness" to be in the NCG.
Accurate or not, I personally believe that it's something Little Nicky and the Red Horde have never forgotten, and use as extra motivation for our game with them every year since.
So, yes, IMO it very definitely WAS the OL play that cost us the game on Saturday. There was no way to overcome the recruiting, coaching and game-planning gaffes of Les' tenure and persevere against Bama's 5-star defense and their desire to punish.
Long, long response, but it's something I've needed to get off my chest.
1. A modern offensive scheme with a QB and a coach that can run that scheme.
2. A much lower "attention profile" from Nick Saban.
For #1: Ole Miss, Western Kentucky, and Arkansas all have (a) QB's that are mobile and can throw accurately and deep, (b) gameplans that took advantage of their offensive strengths and Bama's defensive weaknesses (few as they may be), and (c) most of their OL's are staffed by players playing the right position for their skillset.
And for USC - they tossed Max Browne in favor of Sam Darnold, who's more of a dual-threat RPO guy and now has USC playing very good ball. If Darnold had been the starter against Bama, USC might have actually been a threat to the Gumps in the first game of the year.
Now, do ANY of those teams sound like LSU? Etling's good for what he is, but in NO way is he at or near the same level as Austin Allen, Machine-gun Kelly, or whatever QB Coach Brohm decides to plug in to his system at WKU.
And as far as Tennessee goes, Josh Dobbs may be the best example of a stud QB being completely screwed up by his coach, so no surprises there (and no real comparison to Etling, either).
So if your QB is just fair-to-middlin', and you have THE stud RB squad in the nation and some really talented WR's, what's the ONE thing that can either make that offense successful or completely tank them despite their talent?
Buhler? Buhler? Anyone?
Yep, the sleepy stoner in the back of the class is right: it's the OFFENSIVE LINE.
We now have a mid-tier pro-style QB that replaced a dual-threat QB early in the season. The current team practiced with that DTQB in the spring and fall camps, and had to adjust to Etling after the season started. Even if they kept the same playbook (with a few more plays now being used), the ones affected most by a change in QB style are the OL.
The end result is what you saw on the field Saturday night: an OL that was nowhere near prepared for Bama's 5-star front 7. Even with all the weapons elsewhere on the field, the OL couldn't keep Bama from completely disrupting any play before it had a chance to get started.
That doesn't mean our OL players are "bad". Far from it. The problem is that our offensive scheme was built for The Ghost of Schembechler's Three-Yards-And-A-Cloud-Of-Dust philosophy. That's why Les recruited and played big, road-grading guards that he thought could move any defensive line at least 2-4 yards per play.
The fast, athletic tackles needed in modern football were pretty much an afterthought, as was making ANY use of the TE's as anything other than an extra blocking OL on the end.
To put it another way (the TL/DR version): Our OL is staffed with excellent players being asked to play outside their natural positions in a scheme that rose up from the grave of the 70's. Throw in a coaching change, a change in QB and QB style, a shift in offensive philosophy and a BUNCH of injuries.
Is it any wonder the OL couldn't hold up to Bama? Or is it that hard to believe that they were the weak link in our goose egg loss (and will the biggest weakness for the rest of the season)?
for #2: Little Nicky has repeatedly said that the LSU game is always the one they plan for most. Other SECW teams may rise and fall (re: Arky, Ole Piss, the Barn, etc...). But the one team that consistently poses a threat to Bama is LSU. There's extra juice for their game with us, and the entire Bama team does nothing for two weeks but gameplan for us.
Considering they've beaten us 6 times in a row, it may seem silly to say that they view LSU as their biggest threat every year. I'd suggest, however, that the added attention we get from them BECAUSE of that perceived threat is the very reason they always seem to have the magic snake-oil to pull off a win.
I'd also be willing to bet that beating them in their house in 2011, and then (rightfully) complaining to the world that we shouldn't have to play them again in the NCG gave them the only bulletin board fodder they'd need for the next decade: disrespect.
It's fair to say that most of the CFB world (rightfully) didn't think Bama should be in the NC game. Not only had we already beaten them once, there were other CFB teams that believed they had a better resume than Bama to meet us in the NCG.
I'm no Bama fan, but I can easily imagine their perception of national disrespect affected Saban and his team. They came out determined to make a statement, and they did (21-0 is a pretty good statement). They wanted to poke their thumb in the eyes of all the critics and teams that thought they didn't belong in that game. Mission accomplished.
I also think Bama continues to believe they have a special mission to beat LSU down every year because of that situation. As a Bama fan once told me - if it had been ANY other team than LSU, they're certain that there wouldn't have been any question of Bama's "worthiness" to be in the NCG.
Accurate or not, I personally believe that it's something Little Nicky and the Red Horde have never forgotten, and use as extra motivation for our game with them every year since.
So, yes, IMO it very definitely WAS the OL play that cost us the game on Saturday. There was no way to overcome the recruiting, coaching and game-planning gaffes of Les' tenure and persevere against Bama's 5-star defense and their desire to punish.
Long, long response, but it's something I've needed to get off my chest.
This post was edited on 11/7/16 at 10:03 am
Posted on 11/7/16 at 10:03 am to pjb202
the gumps would still take their bye before our game. this would only hurt LSU by not having an extra week to rest and get healthy.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 10:13 am to pjb202
We suck on O-------LM started it & it will take a minimum of 3 years to right that ship.........Get used to it---& changing to another 'hobby' does relieve some of the frustration-----not all---but some....
Posted on 11/7/16 at 10:34 am to Datbayoubengal
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Arkansas's OL has had Austin Allen bludgeoned this year, yet they put up 30 on Bama
So, what?
They also have up 3ints and a fumble for a TD. Would it make you feel better to lose by 19 like Arky did, just while scoring points?
Half of those points were effectively garbage time, Allen threw like 48 times in that game, completing around 50%.
A loss is a loss.
This post was edited on 11/7/16 at 10:35 am
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