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re: I think that lawyers get a bad rap.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:36 am to JudgeHolden
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:36 am to JudgeHolden
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Seriously, the public's faith in research is steadily declining.
When science steps on the toes of economics, it suddenly becomes very popular to criticize.
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Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:42 am to LakeViewLSU
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Lawyers are one of the main reasons we live in a free country. If it weren't for lawyers, corruption would be the law of the land, and the small guy wouldnt have a chance.
Lawyers aren't inherently evil or anything, all of the ones I know are good people. But they have vastly over complicated things. Most agreements I sign with companies are at least 10+ pages, but what we actually want from each other could be described in one paragraph or less each. Most of the extra stuff is spelling out what should happen in the event some 1 in a million thing occurs. I wonder how much time and money is spent on the lawyers needed to consult on such overly complex agreements vs. the time and money that would be spent if you treated 1 in a million events like 1 in a million events and just dealt with them when they happened?
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:43 am to LakeViewLSU
Windshield guys are pretty cool though.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:54 am to JudgeHolden
One of my biggest gripes about lawyers is why I'm stuck footing the bill by the hour for them to do research on the matter? Isn't that the root of your job? I don't pay the plumber to learn how to fix my toilet and then pay him to do so afterwards. The constant nickel and diming is what turns people off IMO. Had a lawyer charge me .25 hour once for simply calling her and introducing myself since she was taking over a case.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:57 am to TigerinATL
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Most agreements I sign with companies are at least 10+ pages, but what we actually want from each other could be described in one paragraph or less each. Most of the extra stuff is spelling out what should happen in the event some 1 in a million thing occurs. I wonder how much time and money is spent on the lawyers needed to consult on such overly complex agreements vs. the time and money that would be spent if you treated 1 in a million events like 1 in a million events and just dealt with them when they happened?
You know why this stuff is in my agreements right? Cause all day every day I deal with problems arising from issues that you call one in a million. In addition the problem is usually made worse due to the fact that instead of getting a good agreement in place on the front end you and the other contracting party made an agreement that had one paragraph on a bar napkin using colors and are now pissed off at each other and wanting to extract blood from the other while telling me it's not about the money "it's about the principal".
Posted on 12/24/16 at 9:00 am to CockyTime
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Had a lawyer charge me .25 hour once for simply calling her and introducing myself since she was taking over a case.
Had a lawyer that screwed up the paperwork on a real estate deal. Another lawyer caught the mistake and we sent him the paperwork back to correct. The fricking hack charged me for his time to correct his own mistake.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 9:00 am to CockyTime
I worked in consulting, and we charged for billable hours working on a project much like a lawyer does.
In many cases you are contracting their time to do something so you don't have to. Any time they spend doing something for you is time not spent working for someone else.
The breadth of law is vast. No one can be an expert on everything, and therefore they often have to spend time conducting background research to further understand how to serve you.
In many cases you are contracting their time to do something so you don't have to. Any time they spend doing something for you is time not spent working for someone else.
The breadth of law is vast. No one can be an expert on everything, and therefore they often have to spend time conducting background research to further understand how to serve you.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 9:03 am to TigerinATL
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. Most of the extra stuff is spelling out what should happen in the event some 1 in a million thing occurs. I wonder how much time and money is spent on the lawyers needed to consult on such overly complex agreements vs. the time and money that would be spent if you treated 1 in a million events like 1 in a million events and just dealt with them when they happened?
A one in a million chance my mean very little to you, but to a company who does 2 million contracts with individual it is a totally different ballgame.
As to the economics of having the attorney look at a set of GTCs v. dealing with things as they occur (1) lawyers put less time into looking at that stuff than you think and (2) the people who run these companies consistently choose to include these terms. That should maybe tell you something.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 9:35 am to Bmath
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When science kneels down and blows economics, it suddenly becomes very popular to criticize.
FIFY
Posted on 12/24/16 at 9:53 am to CockyTime
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Had a lawyer charge me .25 hour once for simply calling her and introducing myself since she was taking over a case.
Dumb. The bill is the one document your client will read carefully.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 10:00 am to stewie
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Everyone hates lawyers until they need one...
Right, then they really hate them.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 11:31 am to LakeViewLSU
The problem is that many lawyers don't care how they get to the end result so long as they get a fee....the facts do not matter and the truth does not matter. Sometimes you can sell a jury or judge snake oil. It has become a game. How much can you get the other to spend before they cave in and either settle or dismiss....experts make a fortune and many are professional experts. They perpetuate the game and care not about the truth. The case is free money to many traveling salesmen experts. the whore experts need to be banned
Posted on 12/24/16 at 11:39 am to stewie
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Everyone hates lawyers until they need one...
The only reason you would ever need a lawyer would be the direct consequences of another lawyer's/lawmaker's actions.
frick the legal industry.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 11:49 am to LakeViewLSU
Every professional group has a segment of dirt bag practioners. Legal profession just has a significantly higher percentage.
The National Institute of Health (NIH) announced last week that they were going to start using lawyers instead of rats in their experiments. Naturally, the American Bar Association was outraged and filed suit. Yet, the NIH presented some very good reasons for the switch.
1. The lab assistants were becoming very attached to their little rats. This emotional involvement was interfering with the research being conducted. No such attachment could form for a lawyer.
2. Lawyers breed faster and are in much greater supply.
3. Lawyers are much cheaper to care for and the humanitarian societies won't jump all over you no matter what you're studying.
4. There are some things even a rat won't do.
The National Institute of Health (NIH) announced last week that they were going to start using lawyers instead of rats in their experiments. Naturally, the American Bar Association was outraged and filed suit. Yet, the NIH presented some very good reasons for the switch.
1. The lab assistants were becoming very attached to their little rats. This emotional involvement was interfering with the research being conducted. No such attachment could form for a lawyer.
2. Lawyers breed faster and are in much greater supply.
3. Lawyers are much cheaper to care for and the humanitarian societies won't jump all over you no matter what you're studying.
4. There are some things even a rat won't do.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 11:51 am to LucasP
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The only reason you would ever need a lawyer would be the direct consequences of another lawyer's/lawmaker's actions.
A legal Fable
"There once was a small town, and in the 150 years of its existence it never had a resident lawyer. One day a lawyer moved to the town and opened a office, a year later the town had twenty lawyers."
Posted on 12/24/16 at 11:55 am to LakeViewLSU
the criminal defense bar is for the most part a very well meaning group. A lot of intelligent and kind people. But it is a group that skews far left, doesn't think ANYone needs to go to jail, and focuses much effort on abolishing the death penalty.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 11:55 am to LucasP
That is completely ridiculous assertion. Good luck recovering from a company that hurts you without a lawyer. Even if you want to concoct some crazy notion that the justice system (as we know it) doesn't exist and there are simpler rules blah blah blah, the fact is that a company which has expertise defending itself from complaints of your type would have a huge upper hand.
The ability to petition against the government or a huge commercial enterprise, and to do it through someone who has expertise doing such, is one of the few reasons your quality of life is as good as it is.
The ability to petition against the government or a huge commercial enterprise, and to do it through someone who has expertise doing such, is one of the few reasons your quality of life is as good as it is.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 11:58 am to JudgeHolden
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The day when you could hang out a shingle, pay the bills with divorce and criminal, then hit some licks on a big PI case, well, those days are gone.
True. I mean, it's still possible but it's extremely difficult. And it's not only the glut of lawyers but the lack of a client base. In the criminal field, an appalling amount of people qualify for a public defender. In civil, people don't have the money to pay hourly.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:00 pm to LakeViewLSU
The traffic engineers in BR, if there are any, don't seem able to synchronize lights. And can I blame the engineers for having too many needless lights in the first place or is that someone else's fault?
Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:00 pm to LakeViewLSU
frick lawyers. They are smug greedy pieces of shite.
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