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re: Official Running Log/Marathon Training Thread
Posted on 12/28/22 at 2:04 pm to jordan21210
Posted on 12/28/22 at 2:04 pm to jordan21210
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Chafe seems to be more prevalent for me when it’s less humid and cold
Dealing with this right now
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Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:27 pm to Salmon
8 miles tonight on a threshold run. 1 mile at 140HR, 6 miles at 160HR, and 1 mile back at 140HR. Ran the hill route by the house with 900’ of climb.
Felt good. Have 6 easy miles tomorrow and 18 on Saturday.
Felt good. Have 6 easy miles tomorrow and 18 on Saturday.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 6:02 am to Aubie Spr96
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18 on Saturday
Which marathon you training for?
Posted on 12/30/22 at 7:36 am to Walter White Jr
Mercedes here in Bham.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 10:26 am to Aubie Spr96
Aubie -
how did you determine that threshold heart rate was 160?
how did you determine that threshold heart rate was 160?
Posted on 12/30/22 at 10:49 am to ks_nola
HR pretty low for a threshold workout.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 10:19 am to ks_nola
VO2 Max test and max HR test. My ‘zone 3’ is 150-160. I only have one ‘zone 5’ workouts per week and those are hill sprints.
Cut two miles off the 18 today to make it 16. 140HR for 13 miles then 160HR for the last 3. Felt good. Hip still getting a little stiff, but not nearly as bad as before.
Cut two miles off the 18 today to make it 16. 140HR for 13 miles then 160HR for the last 3. Felt good. Hip still getting a little stiff, but not nearly as bad as before.
This post was edited on 12/31/22 at 11:00 am
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:17 am to Aubie Spr96
Ran the Wilderness 10 miler yesterday up in St. Francisville. Holy shite that was a challenge. The weather didn’t help. Dewpoint the same as temp and 100% humidity. I ended up between LT and MP which was my goal, as pace was 7:10. 375’ elevation gain, which isn’t shite to you guys that live around hills, but for a flatlander like me it was tough. Gonna make it a point to train hills at least once a week. Treadmill if I have to. My goal race (Eugene) has 400’ of gain, so will def need to get some hill work in.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:18 am to ks_nola
ks - do you train using HR at all? I noticed you don’t track it on Strava. Or maybe it’s just private
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:18 am to TigeRoots
T-roots
I've never paid attention to HR but Aubie's posted about threshold run has got me a little interested. I also got new coros apex pro 2 for xmas which has built in HR monitor. I've only ran with it twice so unsure of the accuracy. From my 50k run yesterday it shows I spent 2 hr 45 min (63% of run) in anaerobic power HR which is over 176 yet pace wise I was only in anaerobic power for 2 min. not sure how the watch determines the pace and HR range for each zone, but something doesn't seem to add up.
I've never paid attention to HR but Aubie's posted about threshold run has got me a little interested. I also got new coros apex pro 2 for xmas which has built in HR monitor. I've only ran with it twice so unsure of the accuracy. From my 50k run yesterday it shows I spent 2 hr 45 min (63% of run) in anaerobic power HR which is over 176 yet pace wise I was only in anaerobic power for 2 min. not sure how the watch determines the pace and HR range for each zone, but something doesn't seem to add up.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:38 am to ks_nola
I've come to decide 2 things about HR based training:
1. The optical sensor on watches is universally trash. I don't care if you've got a Coros, Garmin, or a Patek Philippe, it'll lock on to your cadence and you'll never get your true HR back.
2. Maffetone/low HR training is good for some and not for others, so don't obsess over it. Especially if you're using your watch's preset zones to determine what pace to run. If it works for you, great. If not, and your results are still good, keep doing what you're doing.
1. The optical sensor on watches is universally trash. I don't care if you've got a Coros, Garmin, or a Patek Philippe, it'll lock on to your cadence and you'll never get your true HR back.
2. Maffetone/low HR training is good for some and not for others, so don't obsess over it. Especially if you're using your watch's preset zones to determine what pace to run. If it works for you, great. If not, and your results are still good, keep doing what you're doing.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 1:25 pm to Ingeniero
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The optical sensor on watches is universally trash. I don't care if you've got a Coros, Garmin, or a Patek Philippe, it'll lock on to your cadence and you'll never get your true HR back.
I’ve found this to be true. A heart rate monitor on a strap is the only way to go.
Running at 140 is hard for me. I really want to settle in at 160. I’m relatively new to running so it’s easy for me to PR stuff, but I’ve PR’d my last three races.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 2:55 pm to Aubie Spr96
Signed up for Austin full on Feb 19th…it’ll be my first marathon. Ran 14 yesterday, my longest run ever, at 9:10 pace and legs got super sore. I’m gonna have to crank up the training but I’m afraid the race is gonna hurt either way
Posted on 1/2/23 at 4:27 pm to ks_nola
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I've never paid attention to HR but Aubie's posted about threshold run has got me a little interested. I also got new coros apex pro 2 for xmas which has built in HR monitor. I've only ran with it twice so unsure of the accuracy. From my 50k run yesterday it shows I spent 2 hr 45 min (63% of run) in anaerobic power HR which is over 176 yet pace wise I was only in anaerobic power for 2 min. not sure how the watch determines the pace and HR range for each zone, but something doesn't seem to add up.
Damn,it's crazy how people (me) get caught up and obsessing over HR during every run and someone that has had as much success as you has never even paid attention to it. That refreshing honestly. So do you normally run by feel or pace or what?
Posted on 1/2/23 at 4:31 pm to Ingeniero
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it'll lock on to your cadence and you'll never get your true HR back.
I've heard cadence lock mentioned plenty in the past, but if my cadence is around say, 180 and HR is 140-160 or whatever, how is this cadence locked? My HR only matches my cadence at really intense efforts when HR is near 80%+ of max. Or does cadence lock mean something different?
Posted on 1/2/23 at 4:42 pm to TigeRoots
I'm not saying my watch is accurate, but it reads a HR different from my cadence by 20 or so on average. Samsung watch 3. And when it's icy and I slow down, I'm taking smaller but faster steps and it reads an even lower HR.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 6:03 pm to calcotron
Ran a half marathon at 1:29:20 a couple days ago for my long run.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 7:22 pm to TigeRoots
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I've heard cadence lock mentioned plenty in the past, but if my cadence is around say, 180 and HR is 140-160 or whatever, how is this cadence locked?
Your watch isn't cadence locking then. Mine, without fail, will go from 145ish straight to 180 damn near every run right around a mile. I've found that it doesn't do it as often in the cold, so maybe it's a sweat thing? Either way, it's a noticeable irregular spike that you'll see on your HR graph after a run
To give some input on your question to ks, i never had a watch that could measure HR in high school or college and I had a PR of 17:30 in the 5k. Most runs I didn't even have a GPS watch, just went out and ran for time by feel.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 7:28 pm to Ingeniero
Right, yeah I've never experienced cadence lock but I get it that it's a thing.
I just go back and forth between obsessing over HR during training and not really caring about it. I care less about it in the Louisiana Summer when it's unavoidable that every run is at least a tempo run, haha.
Impressive PR man! Good shite. How old are you now?
I just go back and forth between obsessing over HR during training and not really caring about it. I care less about it in the Louisiana Summer when it's unavoidable that every run is at least a tempo run, haha.
Impressive PR man! Good shite. How old are you now?
Posted on 1/2/23 at 7:34 pm to TigeRoots
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I just go back and forth between obsessing over HR during training and not really caring about it. I care less about it in the Louisiana Summer when it's unavoidable that every run is at least a tempo run, haha.
Same. People who live in places with 4 seasons get much better feedback from their HR
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Impressive PR man! Good shite. How old are you now?
28 and a hell of a lot slower than 17:30
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