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re: Mortality rate as of yesterday is 1.2%
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:49 am to CoachChappy
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:49 am to CoachChappy
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350 deaths in a country of 360,000,000. Do the math. It is statistically insignificant.
This may be the most impressive example of faulty reasoning these eyes have ever seen.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:51 am to Big4SALTbro
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You do realize more people likely die in a car wreck daily than have been killed by China flu in the us.
FIFY
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:51 am to cahoots
Italy has an older population, an influx of Chinese labor, and very dense population. So, if you think calmly and logically it does add up.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:51 am to Newgene
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With testing speed rapidly increasing, and teams working on a vaccine, we should be laying out plans now for how to start back up.
I do agree with this.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:52 am to cahoots
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Similar mortality rates
US data starting to get decent sample sizes. Normalizing for those who get it but aren’t tested/stay at hone with mild symptoms you get a hospitalization rate 4.5-7 times that of the flu, and an overall mortality rate 5-10x the flu.
But yes, the faster spread with no immunity combined with how long people tend to linger on a vent does lead to problems.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:54 am to Newgene
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The danger here is now waiting too long to turn the economy back on.
We are probably approaching system reset, maybe its already too late.
I could see the initial countries shutdown as there was not enough data. In the US, we should have just isolated those most at risk and provided those people with assistance.
Instead, what they are doing is trying to turn the world into Mad Max.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:55 am to cahoots
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Some things aren’t adding up
It's because they're medical system is overwhelmed and otherwise avoidable deaths are occurring. They're triaging vents with very strict criteria. The folks pointing out that the illness isn't that much worse than flu are partially right. The key, though, is that an overwhelmed medical system from a tsunami of cases can make it a lot worse (as they're seeing in Italy).
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:55 am to tgdawg68
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This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:55 am to tgdawg68
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Italy has an older population, an influx of Chinese labor, and very dense population. So, if you think calmly and logically it does add up.
To what? Is the population less dense for the flu? Is the population any less older for the flu? Did you even read his comment before spewing talking points folllowed by a slight air of faux superiority?
Even if you take away the difference between the US and Italy as far as elderly demographics go you still arrive at very high numbers which are far in excess of flu.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 8:56 am
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:55 am to Newgene
Most sensible post ive seen in a while. Add that NY, NJ and California have over half of the cases I believe we will see transition to more normal in the rest of the US in a few weeks. Hopefully.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:57 am to Volvagia
Its in regards to why Italy is not South Korea. Not spewing talking points jackass!
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:57 am to CoachChappy
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a country of 360,000,000
How do people continue to frick this up?
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:58 am to Kennerkarl
and, add in the new medications that will save the lives of a lot of critical patients.
We might be below a half percent by the middle or end of next week.
Then, what will be the next panic the fake media will start?
We might be below a half percent by the middle or end of next week.
Then, what will be the next panic the fake media will start?
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:59 am to StringedInstruments
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I think the “The US doesn’t know what’s coming” bullshite can stop.
The healthcare and scientific community is putting that talk out there to prepare people. It is about to get a lot worse. The healthcare community is preparing for COVID-19 to start being symptomatic in the homeless populations of the major cities in the next 10 days. That is going to make the numbers of cases and deaths (thanks to underlying health issues like HIV and IV drug use etc) sky rocket. Of course the media, is going to use that to scare the poop out of everyone because it's good for ratings.
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We certainly aren’t Italy.
Yeah we do not greet each other by kissing each other on the cheek, but I would hold off on that. We have another week to 10 days before it is safe to say that we are on top of things and the healthcare system is not going to get overwhelmed.
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Unless someone can show that most of the 26k cases are new.
# of confirmed cases on 3/12/2020: 2500. # of confirmed cases on 3/22/2020: > 26,000 cases. 20,000 new confirmed cases in ten day.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:01 am to tgdawg68
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Its in regards to why Italy is not South Korea.
Except that wasn’t a point in the post you were replying to and quoted.
Nor was it in the discussion HE was responding to.
No comparison of Italy and SK was made there.
Maybe you should take a step back and reread the thread calmly and logically.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:03 am to WeeWee
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20,000 new confirmed cases in ten day.
330 million Americans and less than 30,000 have gotten the virus since the outbreak started.
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It is about to get a lot worse.
I'll try to be worried.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:03 am to tgdawg68
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This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:11 am to cahoots
I'm just saying there are reasons that can explain the high numbers in Italy. I am not dismissing COVID 19 as unserious. But there is no reason to extrapolate Italy to here and there is a pathway out of this (south Korea). Just trying to tamp down some of the unnecessary sensationalism.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:12 am to TigerDoc
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It's because they're medical system is overwhelmed and otherwise avoidable deaths are occurring. They're triaging vents with very strict criteria. The folks pointing out that the illness isn't that much worse than flu are partially right. The key, though, is that an overwhelmed medical system from a tsunami of cases can make it a lot worse (as they're seeing in Italy).
Most likely there medical systems are not really helping, the goal should be to never have to go to the hospital.
1. isolate the key people - 70+ yo with one more more pre-existing conditions
2. use treatments to minimize the symptoms if contracted so one never has to go to the hospital
The vast majority are dying if they have to go to the hospital, 95%+ are dying right there if they are put on a vent.... let alone being able to live significantly in the future.
The hospital is useless with this.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:14 am to cave canem
quote:it will have to rise an awful lot, it's about 1 in 100 million right now. But sure, let's collapse the economy
As the death toll rises the odds increase it will be someone close to them, lets wait and see how cavalier they are about it then.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 9:16 am
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