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4 week Tbills went off at 5.96% this week
Posted on 5/9/23 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 5/9/23 at 6:03 pm
they mature early June and the market seems to think default is a real possibility.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 7:00 pm to I B Freeman
Thanks for the update. I’ll take advantage of that fear premium.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 7:35 pm to I B Freeman
I'm in a short dated bond fund, but the risk is real. Our politicians are a bunch of self serving morons.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 8:07 pm to Triple Bogey
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Our politicians are a bunch of self serving morons
Our fellow voters are a bunch of self serving morons.
FIFY
Posted on 5/9/23 at 8:47 pm to I B Freeman
Thanks, not a lot of spare cash right now. Thanks estimated tax, but I bought a small amount.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:06 pm to I B Freeman
Agree with Jag. Good opportunity to get an amazing rate. I’ll be buying tomorrow. Thanks for bringing this here.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:12 pm to I B Freeman
ive never bought a Tbill so dumb question; this 5% is paid out at the end of the 4 weeks in my TreasuryDirect account? Ive been meaning to redeem an I bond and this sounds like a pretty sweet thing to put it in
ETA I see how it works now
ETA I see how it works now
This post was edited on 5/9/23 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 5/9/23 at 11:58 pm to I B Freeman
Where are you seeing this rate? I called myself looking yesterday and saw the highest were 90 day t bills at 5.28%.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 5:17 am to Jag_Warrior
Like jam, I have never bought t-bills. Couple of questions, at the end of the four weeks I did not choose to reinvest. Will I pay the interest on taxes for this year because it matured? If I reinvest will it change that. Thanks
Posted on 5/10/23 at 6:32 am to jamiegla1
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ive never bought a Tbill so dumb question; this 5% is paid out at the end of the 4 weeks in my TreasuryDirect account?
I bought my first T bills a couple weeks ago through Treasury Direct. That account is linked to your bank account. If you tell it to buy $10,000 in TBills, it withdraws the discounted amount that will with interest become $10,000 at the end of the term you choose. So say it sucks out $9,800 (making up a number) or so to buy the bills, then at the end of 4 weeks (or other term you selected) you have the option to have the $10k deposited to your bank account or reinvested in TBills for the same term as before.
I’m having the final amount returned to my account this first time, just to test the system. If all works well, and rates stay good, I’ll do more and tell it to reinvest (I think it will let you do that for up to 2 years).
Posted on 5/10/23 at 6:34 am to Kipsgto
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Will I pay the interest on taxes for this year because it matured? If I reinvest will it change that.
I’m pretty sure you’ll pay taxes (fed only; exempt from state) for the year when interest is earned event you reinvest. A pro can tell us for sure, but you pay taxes on CD interest in the year earned even if the CD doesn’t mature for several years. I assume this would be the same.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:15 am to jamiegla1
The rate is the annualized rate. You buy the t-bills at the discount that yields the rate. The aforementioned bonds in the OP sold at .99545778 which means you would have paid $995.457778 for every $1000 in t-bills you bought. At the end of 4 weeks you would receive $1000.
There are 13 four week periods in a year. You would have gotten a $4.54 discount-interest--on your $995.46 investment. Over a year that would be $59.02 in interest . This the 5.96% rate. ($59.02/995.46=5.928% so the rounding comes into play but the pure rate is 5.96%)
There are 13 four week periods in a year. You would have gotten a $4.54 discount-interest--on your $995.46 investment. Over a year that would be $59.02 in interest . This the 5.96% rate. ($59.02/995.46=5.928% so the rounding comes into play but the pure rate is 5.96%)
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 8:17 am
Posted on 5/10/23 at 10:30 am to I B Freeman
Yep ^
The interest rate on a short-term T-bill is quoted as an annual rate, but the interest is actually paid over the period of the T-bill.
3-month T-bill with an annual interest rate of 2% will actually pay 0.67% interest over the course of 3 months.
The interest rate on a short-term T-bill is quoted as an annual rate, but the interest is actually paid over the period of the T-bill.
3-month T-bill with an annual interest rate of 2% will actually pay 0.67% interest over the course of 3 months.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 10:45 am to CISO
Ok - sorry, I have another stupid question. Is there any risk involved with these? I see from a quick google search that they are backed by the U.S. Government, but is there something I am missing?
Posted on 5/10/23 at 11:40 am to jammintiger
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Is there any risk involved with these?
Not really. Any default by the U.S. in June or July would likely just be technical in nature. Worst case, interest payments might be delayed by a few weeks at most… but I’ll be surprised if that even happens.
As I mentioned above, I’ll plow some free cash into more bills to take advantage of this (likely) short term yield premium.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 11:59 am to jammintiger
They are the risk free standard in the US. Everything else is presumed to have more risk.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 1:41 pm to I B Freeman
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they mature early June and the market seems to think default is a real possibility.
So does this just mean you may have to wait a bit longer on your money if the government were to shut down?
Posted on 5/10/23 at 3:26 pm to I B Freeman
I wonder if it would be prudent to buy a 4 week tbill based on these fear rates and just set it to 2 or 3 reinvestments.
I know you don't get the same rate on each reinvestment, but you would this first time and this way you wouldn't have to worry about trying to get your money during a shutdown.
I know you don't get the same rate on each reinvestment, but you would this first time and this way you wouldn't have to worry about trying to get your money during a shutdown.
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 3:27 pm
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