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Debt vs investments
Posted on 3/14/18 at 6:21 pm
Posted on 3/14/18 at 6:21 pm
Should I try to pay down debt with extra or increased payments.
House
Truck
SUV
Or invest and pay minimum on debt notes.
House
Truck
SUV
Or invest and pay minimum on debt notes.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 6:25 pm to LZ83
Depends on interest rates and how successful you are investing.
I wouldn't advise paying the house off early
I wouldn't advise paying the house off early
Posted on 3/14/18 at 6:30 pm to Powerman
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Depends on interest rates and how successful you are investing.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 6:31 pm to LZ83
Thank y’all. I’m really trying to get a grip on my finances.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 6:36 pm to LZ83
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Thank y’all. I’m really trying to get a grip on my finances
Understood.
Presumably you have some excess money after bills since you're asking the question.
Are you able to contribute to a retirement account through your company? The tax advantages alone would probably make that a safe bet even if your returns aren't great
Posted on 3/14/18 at 6:57 pm to Powerman
Yes, our company puts in 4% for our 5%. I put in 6% and get the full match at 4%.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 6:59 pm to Powerman
I have the 401k through my hospital. Some stocks on TDameritrade and Robinhood. And a mutual fund through Edward Jones.
I’m just frustrated I don’t have more capital to put on them, I guess that’s my question/gripe.
Edit. And a little crypto:/
I’m just frustrated I don’t have more capital to put on them, I guess that’s my question/gripe.
Edit. And a little crypto:/
This post was edited on 3/14/18 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 3/14/18 at 7:25 pm to LZ83
yep, comes down to interest rate. House should most likely not be a concern
Posted on 3/14/18 at 8:31 pm to LZ83
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And a mutual fund through Edward Jones.
OMG
RUN AWAY FROM EDWARD JONES!
Posted on 3/14/18 at 9:17 pm to LZ83
If you are already maxing out your 401k to your employer match, which it sounds like you are...
Pay down the cars.
Start with paying down the one that has the most time left on the loan.
The way amortization works, the longer you are in the loan, the less your payment goes to interest.
If you have one vehicle that has 2 years left, and another vehicle that has 4 years left, start making extra payments on the one that has 4 years left.
It sounds counterintuitive, and Dave Ramsey wouldn't agree, but the math works out better for you that way.
The only exception is if you have a cash flow problem and you are struggling to make ends meet, in which case you pay off whatever is the easiest (lowest balance) as soon as possible.
Pay down the cars.
Start with paying down the one that has the most time left on the loan.
The way amortization works, the longer you are in the loan, the less your payment goes to interest.
If you have one vehicle that has 2 years left, and another vehicle that has 4 years left, start making extra payments on the one that has 4 years left.
It sounds counterintuitive, and Dave Ramsey wouldn't agree, but the math works out better for you that way.
The only exception is if you have a cash flow problem and you are struggling to make ends meet, in which case you pay off whatever is the easiest (lowest balance) as soon as possible.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 9:56 pm to LZ83
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And a mutual fund through Edward Jones.
CAIBX?
Posted on 3/15/18 at 7:08 am to tigerfan337
American funds growth fund
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:07 am to LZ83
Shoot, AGTHX was my second guess.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:43 am to Powerman
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I wouldn't advise paying the house off early
I dont get this line of thinking but to each his own.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:27 pm to cave canem
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I dont get this line of thinking but to each his own.
Main Reason
1. The rate you pay on your home is likely smaller than what you can earn on other investments (stocks, investment properties, etc.).
Another Good Reason
2. You can write off mortgage interest on your taxes.
Lagniappe
3. You're less attractive to attorneys looking to sue bc you have a lien on your home and don't own it free and clear.
All of this holds true for personal residences....but with investment properties, you can claim depreciation in addition to items 1-3 above.
I like leverage and using it to my advantage.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:53 pm to Cousin
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1. The rate you pay on your home is likely smaller than what you can earn on other investments (stocks, investment properties, etc.
While true I appreciate having zero debt and not paying interest, that's just me though.
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2. You can write off mortgage interest on your taxes.
That is some broken thinking and I cringe every time I hear it, spending a dollar to save 20 cents is a fools game.
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3. You're less attractive to attorneys looking to sue bc you have a lien on your home and don't own it free and clear.
I am far more concerned about larger assets than my house should that issue arrise, it is precisely why I have insurance and lots of it.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 1:27 pm to Cousin
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Main Reason
1. The rate you pay on your home is likely smaller than what you can earn on other investments (stocks, investment properties, etc.).
This is the only semi-rational point you make. This strategy ignores risk. Returns on your other investments are not guaranteed, and can even lose money.
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Another Good Reason
2. You can write off mortgage interest on your taxes.
Get real. You're paying a dollar to get a quarter. Plus the new tax structure means very few people will itemize anyways.
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Lagniappe
3. You're less attractive to attorneys looking to sue bc you have a lien on your home and don't own it free and clear.
States have their own laws around this, but in many states your equity is absolutely at risk. The courts can force a sale, and once your mortgage obligations are satisfied the remaining proceeds are used to fulfill the judgment. In any case, you can get an umbrella policy for less than the cost of carrying a mortgage balance.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 1:39 pm to ATLdawg25
The only real reason people say "don't pay off the house yet" is because houses generally appreciate in value whereas other debt is generally secured to a depreciating asset, which can leave you upside-down.
If you've already paid off your high interest credit cards, and your vehicles, you've already maxed out your Roth and Traditional IRA's, you've got a 12 month emergency fund set up, and your kid's college funds are fully funded, and you've got a nice fat vacation fund, and your HSA is fully funded, and you still have money left over, then by all means, pay off your house early.
If you've already paid off your high interest credit cards, and your vehicles, you've already maxed out your Roth and Traditional IRA's, you've got a 12 month emergency fund set up, and your kid's college funds are fully funded, and you've got a nice fat vacation fund, and your HSA is fully funded, and you still have money left over, then by all means, pay off your house early.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 1:54 pm to deeprig9
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If you've already paid off your high interest credit cards, and your vehicles, you've already maxed out your Roth and Traditional IRA's, you've got a 12 month emergency fund set up, and your kid's college funds are fully funded, and you've got a nice fat vacation fund, and your HSA is fully funded, and you still have money left over, then by all means, pay off your house early.
but you can invest that leftover money and get a higher return than the interest rate on your mortgage!
honestly the two sides of the argument boil down to risk tolerance. To some people the additional return on investment isn't worth the risk of owing somebody money on your house. I just hate when people denounce it as stupid when it is more a matter of personal preference.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 2:22 pm to ATLdawg25
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but you can invest that leftover money and get a higher return than the interest rate on your mortgage!
It's more of a cash flow thing. It's inverse-income investing.
When the house is paid off, you don't have the $1500/m payment, you've essentially just given yourself a $1500/m income - all of which can still be reinvested into other equities, or real estate.
If you've paid your house off 10 years early, at $1500/m, you've annuitized yourself $180,000 in monthly installments, all of which could snowball into alot more than that as you reinvest it over the next 10 years.
It's not as simple as saying a 6% equity return is higher than a 5% interest rate.
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