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re: Windhorst says Philly is monitoring the Brandon Ingram situation
Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:55 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:55 am to TeddyPadillac
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The cap will continue to rise significantly over the next 2 years, almost 10% jumps into 2026 and 2027 each. BI's contract will not be that terrible. He's still a really good player, and he's still young. We saw a huge jump in his defense and rebounding effort this year. No one was bitching about him before he got hurt with 12 games left b/c he was playing well and the team was playing like a top 5 team in the league. I'd prefer if we traded both BI and CJ, but I dont think that's realistic with our idiot GM. If we can't find a good deal for BI, then you have to resign him, and if that happens, then CJ needs to be on the move for a legit PG. I"m sorry but CJ's defense is just too bad. It's not only bad one on one, but he seems just as bad off the ball and understanding schematically what we are trying to do. You get BI off the ball, Zion as well, and have a real PG that sets them both up and I think we'd be better off. BI had great points per possession stats coming off screens as well as dribble handoffs this year, both significantly higher than Zion and CJ. He was also more effecient in the post than Zion was in regards to points per possession. BI was in the 57th percentile in the league in efficiency for ISO possessions, and CJ was even worst in just the 40th percentile (higer the better). ZIon was 75th percentile for ISO. BI was a much more effecient player of the ball than on the ball, which is proven by his stats coming off screens, dribble handoffs, and post ups all being a good bit higher than his ISO and PNR as the ball handler stats. 2 dribbles or less and BI shoots 60% on 2's and 36% on 3's. 3+ dribbles and he drops to under 50% on 2's, and that's over half of his total attempts per game this past year. It might not be a terrible thing to move CJ and get a real PG, if that's possible to find.
What about the fact that BI refuses to play off ball and just loafs around if he doesn’t have the ball. Did you just watch this last season? Getting a PG isn’t going to make BI give a shite. He doesn’t want to do those things
Posted on 5/4/24 at 10:52 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:True but I'd assume if we're adding Murray, it's for BI and not CJ.
If off ball CJ and PG BI take 12 3s a game, I don’t think it’s that hard to get PG Murray and off ball BI to take 12. CJ attempted 8.4 a game and Dejountr attempted 7.1.
If CJ is the main salary match for Murray, then I'd guess Herb is out in that deal. Hard pass for me.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 4:13 pm to Balsamic_duck
quote:
Paul Reed & Dejounte to NOLA
Too awesome to actually happen
Posted on 5/4/24 at 5:03 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:
The one thing that was conclusively demonstrated this season was that Borrego's plan to run the offense through BI was a terrible idea. We now know, and BI also knows, that this doesn't work.
I don't think so, It was more BI's refusal to do what Borrego wanted him to do was take more catch and shoot 3's. More times than I could count he's get a wide open look from 3 and dribble closer to the defender and take the 2. Much the same problem he had with Kerr on USA and SVG
Posted on 5/4/24 at 10:37 pm to DJR1957
quote:This... plus actually abandoning Borrego ball to let BI be the #1 option for way too long.
I don't think so, It was more BI's refusal to do what Borrego wanted him to do
Posted on 5/5/24 at 3:50 pm to Balsamic_duck
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It would have to be something like BI to philly, philly picks and TPE to ATL, and Paul Reed & Dejounte to NOLA.
BI + Nance to Philly
CJ + Dyson + Philly picks to ATL
Murray + Okongwu + Reed to NOLA
Re-sign Marshall
PG: Murray/Alvarado
SG: Jones/Hawkins
SF: Murphy/Marshall/Ryan
PF: Williamson/???
C: Okongwu/Reed
More cap flexibility, but we really give up a lot of scoring.
Posted on 5/5/24 at 4:38 pm to htran90
Just do:
BI + Nance for
Murray + Okongwu
PG: Murray/ Jose/ DRAFT/ vet
SG: Herb/ CJ/ Hawkins
SF: Murphy/ Dyson/ Ryan
PF: Williamson/ vet / draft/ undrafted
C: Okongwu/ Val/ DRAFT
OR
Throw in picks (because its worth it) and send Okongwu to the Cavs for Allen.
Pels: Jarrett Allen/ Murray
Hawks: BI/ Nance/
Cave: Okongwu/ picks
BI + Nance for
Murray + Okongwu
PG: Murray/ Jose/ DRAFT/ vet
SG: Herb/ CJ/ Hawkins
SF: Murphy/ Dyson/ Ryan
PF: Williamson/ vet / draft/ undrafted
C: Okongwu/ Val/ DRAFT
OR
Throw in picks (because its worth it) and send Okongwu to the Cavs for Allen.
Pels: Jarrett Allen/ Murray
Hawks: BI/ Nance/
Cave: Okongwu/ picks
Posted on 5/5/24 at 4:42 pm to Dantheman504
What is Atlanta’s timeline?
I’d want Ogonkwu but if they still think they are competing, I doubt they go forward with Capela and Nance as their bigs.
I’d want Ogonkwu but if they still think they are competing, I doubt they go forward with Capela and Nance as their bigs.
Posted on 5/5/24 at 4:42 pm to Dantheman504
PG: Murray/ Jose/ draft
SG: Herb/ CJ/ Hawkins
SF: Murphy/ Dyson/ Ryan
PF: Williamson/ vet / draft
C: Allen/ Val/ DRAFT
SG: Herb/ CJ/ Hawkins
SF: Murphy/ Dyson/ Ryan
PF: Williamson/ vet / draft
C: Allen/ Val/ DRAFT
Posted on 5/5/24 at 4:43 pm to Dantheman504
quote:
BI + Nance for
Murray + Okongwu
Why would the Hawks do this?
Posted on 5/5/24 at 4:53 pm to Dantheman504
quote:
PG: Murray/ Jose/ draft
SG: Herb/ CJ/ Hawkins
SF: Murphy/ Dyson/ Ryan
PF: Williamson/ vet / draft
C: Allen/ Val/ DRAFT
CJ would bring the ball up
Dyson would play PF
Hawk would be in place of Jose.
Posted on 5/5/24 at 7:51 pm to Dantheman504
quote:
C: Allen/ Val/ DRAFT
This is delusional. Val is gone.
Posted on 5/5/24 at 11:28 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:Huh? Why?
Dyson would play PF
Posted on 5/6/24 at 10:39 am to Dantheman504
quote:
Just do:
BI + Nance for
Murray + Okongwu
ATL isnt doing that without picks.
You might be able to get away with BI + Nance for Murray + Capela without giving up picks. I would definitely do that. Capela is a decent stop gap at center if we cant find one this offseason and he is a decently sized expiring contract we can use for further trades.
Murray/CJ/Jose
Herb/Dyson/Hawk
Trey/Ryan
Zion/ Draft??
Capela/FA?/ Karlo
Posted on 5/6/24 at 10:47 am to Balsamic_duck
Why do we need CJ to bring the ball up? Especially if we have Murray?
Why do we need CJ to be #2 PG?
I don't get it. CJ is playing PG and our #1 scorer because he HAS to be. Moving CJ to 2nd string SG or 1st string SG because we got better is the goal.
Both Herb/ Murphy should start IMO and if you bench one then it needs to be Murphy with Herb going to SF and CJ at SG.
Murray/ Murray
Herb / CJ
Murphy/ Herb
In no world should CJ be our #1 or #2 PG if we want to maximize our offense and maintain the best roster.
Why do we need CJ to be #2 PG?
I don't get it. CJ is playing PG and our #1 scorer because he HAS to be. Moving CJ to 2nd string SG or 1st string SG because we got better is the goal.
Both Herb/ Murphy should start IMO and if you bench one then it needs to be Murphy with Herb going to SF and CJ at SG.
Murray/ Murray
Herb / CJ
Murphy/ Herb
In no world should CJ be our #1 or #2 PG if we want to maximize our offense and maintain the best roster.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 10:48 am to Dantheman504
The argument people have made is that we need CJ for being able to hit 3s because enough attempts leave with BI going.
I would think there are cheaper options than $30m for a guy who has D to go along with the 3.
I would think there are cheaper options than $30m for a guy who has D to go along with the 3.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 11:03 am to teke184
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The argument people have made is that we need CJ for being able to hit 3s because enough attempts leave with BI going.
Trey takes CJ's starting 3's attempted.
Jordan Hawkins replaces Trey's bench 3's.
Find a replacement for BI that takes more 3's.
Do that and we shoot more 3's and don't have to worry about a team hunting and torching CJ in the playoffs.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 11:09 am to TeddyPadillac
You are preaching to the choir here.
Whether we find a combo guard or swingman who does this and is available may be another matter.
Whether we find a combo guard or swingman who does this and is available may be another matter.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 1:49 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
Huh? Why?
Seems like at least 2 people havent been paying attention to the role Larry plays.
Dyson can pretty much do that and then some.
Both 6'7
Dyson is the better rebounder
Dyson can shoot the corner 3
Dyson in the Dunker Spot against lesser talent is a win against most backup front courts.
BTW we have tried this already multiple games.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 1:55 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:
Seems like at least 2 people havent been paying attention to the role Larry plays.
Dyson can pretty much do that and then some.
Larry and Dyson are no where near the same player.
pretending that Dyson can play the role Larry did is silly.
It's a running joke all year round that Dyson can't dunk.
Larry has go go gadget arms. He's made a career of dunking on people.
are you being serious here, saying Dyson Daniels can take Larry Nance Jr's role as our backup 5?
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