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Crazy ideas or stories about religion and ancient civilizations?
Posted on 7/20/23 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 7/20/23 at 7:10 pm
I’m extremely interested in our past as humans and how the Bible and other histories were recorded (and not recorded).
Gnostic gospels and banned gospels and books intrigue the hell out of me. When making the canon, European men in the church decide which gospels to include and which to not include.
A great example is the image of Jesus we’ve seen accepted for hundreds of years. Based on European men and not middle eastern men.
Looking at books like Thomas, Enoch, Mary Madeline, etc., it’s amazing to think of what information is right there in front of us. And, it’s amazing to think of how interpretation and translation has affected stories.
Take this along with other religions around the world and strange customs and you get amazing possibilities. Whether it be ancient civilizations, aliens, actual gods and entities, or simply hidden truths, it’s fascinating as to what can be.
All you have to do is read the Old Testament and the crazy stories in there are enough to make you wonder.
What resources are out there that you have found fascinating? I’m looking for more to explore.
For me, other religions and strange cultures around the world (like Hinduism and Judaism) fascinates me when looked at it as a comparison to Bible stories and ancient beliefs.
No need to make this about religion and who’s right or wrong. Regardless of your religious beliefs, this post is about thinking outside the box and getting a different view. If you choose to keep your view and your beliefs, then great.
Anyone have thoughts or resources to share for those of us interested?
Gnostic gospels and banned gospels and books intrigue the hell out of me. When making the canon, European men in the church decide which gospels to include and which to not include.
A great example is the image of Jesus we’ve seen accepted for hundreds of years. Based on European men and not middle eastern men.
Looking at books like Thomas, Enoch, Mary Madeline, etc., it’s amazing to think of what information is right there in front of us. And, it’s amazing to think of how interpretation and translation has affected stories.
Take this along with other religions around the world and strange customs and you get amazing possibilities. Whether it be ancient civilizations, aliens, actual gods and entities, or simply hidden truths, it’s fascinating as to what can be.
All you have to do is read the Old Testament and the crazy stories in there are enough to make you wonder.
What resources are out there that you have found fascinating? I’m looking for more to explore.
For me, other religions and strange cultures around the world (like Hinduism and Judaism) fascinates me when looked at it as a comparison to Bible stories and ancient beliefs.
No need to make this about religion and who’s right or wrong. Regardless of your religious beliefs, this post is about thinking outside the box and getting a different view. If you choose to keep your view and your beliefs, then great.
Anyone have thoughts or resources to share for those of us interested?
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Posted on 7/20/23 at 7:11 pm to SixthAndBarone
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Crazy ideas about religion
All religions exist to keep people in line with a hierarchy of a society
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 7/20/23 at 7:14 pm to SixthAndBarone
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When making the canon, European men in the church decide which gospels to include and which to not include.
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No need to make this about religion and who’s right or wrong.
And yet you did
Posted on 7/20/23 at 7:16 pm to SixthAndBarone
Posted on 7/20/23 at 7:16 pm to AkronTiger
That’s historical fact, not religious belief.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 7:17 pm to SixthAndBarone
Plenty of good youtube videos on these topics. I like watching videos on the nephilim and the flood, and pre flood civilizations. SOme good places to start would be Graham Hancock's Ancient Apocalypse series on netflix and any of his appearances on Joe Rogan's podcast or any other podcast. Randall Carlson, Robert Schoch, and Zecharia Sitchin's work are all worth looking into as well.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 7:18 pm to SixthAndBarone
my family handled snakes
most are still alive
most are still alive
Posted on 7/20/23 at 7:25 pm to SixthAndBarone
Joesph Campbell has written extensively on this topic.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 7:31 pm to SixthAndBarone
It's commonly believed that Ramesses II was the pharaoh at the time of the Hebrew exodus (for those that actually believe in a Hebrew exodus). I do believe in the Hebrew exodus, but I have a theory that the pharaoh was actually Amenhotep III. His son was Amenhotep IV, more commonly known as Akhenaten. Akhenaten is most well known for being the only known pharaoh to establish a monotheistic religion in Egypt (the Aten). He also curiously moved the capital from Luxor to Amarna. If you believe in the Biblical story of the Exodus, God through Moses and Aaron brought many plagues on Egypt, the last of which was the death of the firstborn child of every family that didn't prepare for the Passover. Moses professed the power of the one true God over the many gods of Egypt during this time.
I believe that Akhenaten bore witness to Moses' acts and belief in one God and it so affected him that he broke from a thousand years of Egyptian religious tradition and started his own monotheistic one. Interestingly enough, it is known that Amenhotep III's first son, Thutmose, died when he was a young man by unknown means and Akhenaten, the second son, was next in line for the throne.
Incidentally, after Akhenaten died, his successors, one of which was the young pharaoh Tutankhamen, denounced Akhenaten's monotheistic religion, tore down Amarna and moved the capital back to Luxor, and attempted to wipe any evidence of his reign from the face of the earth.
Circumstantial speculation, but I find that part of Egyptian history fascinating.
I believe that Akhenaten bore witness to Moses' acts and belief in one God and it so affected him that he broke from a thousand years of Egyptian religious tradition and started his own monotheistic one. Interestingly enough, it is known that Amenhotep III's first son, Thutmose, died when he was a young man by unknown means and Akhenaten, the second son, was next in line for the throne.
Incidentally, after Akhenaten died, his successors, one of which was the young pharaoh Tutankhamen, denounced Akhenaten's monotheistic religion, tore down Amarna and moved the capital back to Luxor, and attempted to wipe any evidence of his reign from the face of the earth.
Circumstantial speculation, but I find that part of Egyptian history fascinating.
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 7/20/23 at 7:33 pm to SixthAndBarone
Jordan Petersens Bible series/lectures are very good - he ties in a lot of ancient civ stories
Posted on 7/20/23 at 7:35 pm to SixthAndBarone
Here's an interesting tidbit: almost every religion and culture known to Man has (or has had) a flood story. From the Judeo-Christian story of Noah to the Buddhist story of Samudda-Vanija Jataka, the Epic of Gilgamesh from ancient Mesopotamia, to the Aztec story of the god Titlacauan warning Note and Nana of a flood, to the Zoroastrian Mazdaizm story of Mithra causing a flood by trying to stop a drought, etc. Even the Hope Indians and Tibetans (groups far removed from chances of floods) had flood stories in their histories.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 7:53 pm to hojo
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It's commonly believed that Ramesses II was the pharaoh at the time of the Hebrew exodus (for those that actually believe in a Hebrew exodus). I do believe in the Hebrew exodus, but I have a theory that the pharaoh was actually Amenhotep III.
Yeah I saw a Netflix documentary a few years ago that made a compelling argument (to me at least) that the Exodus was a couple hundred years before Ramses II. I forget the evidence but there were some good reasons for thinking that.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 7:53 pm to SixthAndBarone
quote:he's a jew and not so much a "middle eastern" man.
Based on European men and not middle eastern men.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 7:54 pm to Bard
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Here's an interesting tidbit: almost every religion and culture known to Man has (or has had) a flood story.
True but at the same time almost every culture developed around water bodies so a flood story was easy to conceive.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 7:59 pm to biglego
There's geological evidence for a worldwide flood around 12,000 years ago.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:12 pm to Brosef Stalin
The ancient Romans had a ritual called "The Fatal Charade", in which prisoners condemned to the arena would enact a play for the amusement of observers, just before they were taken to their deaths.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:16 pm to SixthAndBarone
Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:27 pm to SixthAndBarone
You should read The Naked Bible by Mauro Biglino, a Vatican ArchivesTranslator.
From the Amazon description:
From the Amazon description:
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Undressing the Bible: in Hebrew, the Old Testament speaks for itself, explicitly and transparently. It tells of mysterious beings, special and powerful ones, that appeared on Earth. Aliens? Former earthlings? Superior civilizations, that have always been present on our planet? Creators, manipulators, geneticists. Aviators, warriors, despotic rulers. And scientists, possessing very advanced knowledge, special weapons and science-fiction-like technologies. Once naked, the Bible is very different from how it has always been told to us: it does not contain any spiritual, omnipotent and omniscient God, no eternity. No apples and no creeping, tempting, serpents. No winged angels. Not even the Red Sea: the people of the Exodus just wade through a simple reed bed.
Writer and journalist Giorgio Cattaneo sits down with Italy's most renowned biblical translator for his first long interview about his life's work for the English audience. A decade long official Bible translator for the Church and lifelong researcher of ancient myths and tales, Mauro Bilglino is a unicum in his field of expertise and research. A fine connoisseur of dead languages, from ancient Greek to Hebrew and medieval Latin, he focused his attention and efforts on the accurate translating of the bible. The encounter with Mauro Biglino and his work - the journalist writes - is profoundly healthy, stimulating and inevitably destabilizing: it forces us to reconsider the solidity of the awareness that nourishes many of our common beliefs. And it is a testament to the courage that is needed, today more than ever, to claim the full dignity of free research.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:29 pm to SixthAndBarone
There is a theory, although I don’t buy it, that Jesus was a zealot and so was Judas Iscariot. Most scholars say Iscariot means Judas was from Kerioth but the alternative theory argues Iscariot is a bastardized term referring to the Sicari who were ancient Jewish assassins. And that Judas “betrayed” Jesus in order to kick off a wider Jewish uprising. But the betrayal was really a charade to stoke the uprising bc Jesus had a big following and wasn’t in hiding.
The sicari aren’t known to exist quite that early and I think it’s bunk, but I like theories like this anyway.
The sicari aren’t known to exist quite that early and I think it’s bunk, but I like theories like this anyway.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:31 pm to Brosef Stalin
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There's geological evidence for a worldwide flood around 12,000 years ago.
Lol. No there's not.
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