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re: Arsenal 2023/24 Season Thread - Rice, Rice, Baby

Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:29 am to
Posted by texastiger38
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Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:29 am to
We’re all Wolves today!
Posted by joshyc2
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Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:31 am to
Third goal was sneaky underrated for goal difference if it comes to it.

Wolves, Fulham, Spurs, or West Ham.

Please. Someone.
Posted by Bottom9
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Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:32 am to
We going into match week 37 and still in the title race. My God we used to pray for this.

Wolves, Fulham, Spurs you beautiful blue North London bastards, and West Ham you beautiful East London bastards, we need you to literally just get 1 fricking point against these evil Oil bastards. One fricking point.
Posted by Bottom9
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Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:33 am to
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Third goal was sneaky underrated for goal difference if it comes to it.


And then they even charged forward for a 4th in the 97th minute. All the details are always taken care of the Super Mik
This post was edited on 5/4/24 at 8:45 am
Posted by Bottom9
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Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:35 am to
They are falling us "VARsenal" these days
Posted by joshyc2
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Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:42 am to
88 goals ties a PL record for Arsenal
26 wins ties a PL record for Arsenal

Can’t say they aren’t trying lol!
Posted by timlan2057
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Posted on 5/4/24 at 9:14 am to
I did not realize it has been 22 years since Ipswich Town was last top flight.
Posted by glassman
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Posted on 5/4/24 at 9:29 pm to
Those records will be eclipsed. Arsenal is just chasing an all time great team with an all time great manager. It’s just what is.
Posted by Sandperson
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Posted on 5/6/24 at 9:55 am to
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Those records will be eclipsed. Arsenal is just chasing an all time great team with an all time great manager. It’s just what is.


An all time great team owned by a very shady petro-nation state and in violation of dozens of FIFA and FA financial fair play rules. So basically losing to a play station cheat team.
Posted by glassman
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Posted on 5/6/24 at 3:04 pm to
I get that. But, none of that is in the players or fans hands to anything about. I'm just proud of this squad and it's growth under Arteta. Arsenal have taken, arguably the best team in the world and arguably the best EPL team ever down to the wire two straight seasons.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/6/24 at 3:46 pm to
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An all time great team owned by a very shady petro-nation state and in violation of dozens of FIFA and FA financial fair play rules.

Compare the net spend the past 5 years.
Posted by Bottom9
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Posted on 5/6/24 at 8:48 pm to
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Compare the net spend the past 5 years.



Now do total spending since 2009.

Also do wages for us. We will be waiting.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/6/24 at 9:22 pm to
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Now do total spending since 2009.

Why? How many players on either team were on the first team 15 years ago?

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Also do wages for us. We will be waiting.

Only a $400k/week difference

That's a bigger difference than Arsenal and Liverpool.

Almost 3x the gap between Arsenal and Spurs

Per this

The net spend is about 224M difference, also. That would be over 8 years' wages (given 52 weeks/year).

Net, Arsenal has spent a frickload more money the past 5 years. Own it.
Posted by Bottom9
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Posted on 5/6/24 at 10:05 pm to
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Net, Arsenal has spent a frickload more money the past 5 years. Own it.



100% but you can't even own the fact that City wouldn't be in this position if it weren't for their spending in the last 15 years and with the ability to field quite literally 2 damn near World Class players at every position. It is not normal in England and has barely been normal in Europe outside of Bayern, Real, and Barca.

To act as if the City project is some organic light spending bullshite is extraordinarily facetious.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:26 am to
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but you can't even own the fact that City wouldn't be in this position if it weren't for their spending in the last 15 years a

Soccer has institutional advantages for teams who happened to be good during expansion, like Arsenal, Man U, and Liverpool.

Investing money to catch up isn't a bad thing, unless you think those institutional advantages should always exist.

Now that Man City has "caught up", they're the best run club in England by far.

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with the ability to field quite literally 2 damn near World Class players at every position.

They spend wisely. They sell for value.

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To act as if the City project is some organic light spending bullshite is extraordinarily facetious.

I never said they were light spending, but they haven't been outlier spenders for a long time. No top EPL team is "light spending", and even mid EPL teams are huge spenders on the world stage.

And, pretending that Arsenal (or the other clubs with major institutional advantages as "big clubs" in the EPL) have "organic" status is just as comical. Man U is the worst and Liverpool is probably worse than y'all, but you can't act like you're Brentford or Swansea, here.
Posted by Bottom9
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 9:30 am to
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And, pretending that Arsenal (or the other clubs with major institutional advantages as "big clubs" in the EPL) have "organic" status is just as comical. Man U is the worst and Liverpool is probably worse than y'all, but you can't act like you're Brentford or Swansea, here.



It is organic in the sense that we don't fricking commit fraud to inflate our financials in order to break financial rules.

Just like Liverpool winning the league was organic. Spent an assload but it was an assload that was spent without fraud.

It is what it is. City is a machine and have more points accumulated in a 6 or 7 year stretch than some teams accumulate in 15 to 20. It is what it is. This league is incredibly difficult and people are essentially playing for 2nd place. But don't come in here with that bullshite that their net spend is so amazing and that it was just a mom and pop shop that should be the envy of the world.

City is fraudulent but on the football side, insanely well run. They also have arguably the greatest manager in history. It is what it is but frick you and your dumbass net spend number that doesn't even begin to tell the full story.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 11:42 am to
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but frick you and your dumbass net spend number that doesn't even begin to tell the full story.

They spent a lot to catch up to overcome the institutional advantages that exist in major soccer. That stopped a while back.

Talking about what they spent 15 years ago has no impact on 2024. Potentially committing fraud 10-15 years ago re: accounting has no impact on the squad in 2024.

The only reason there are rules in place that City may have violated, is to protect legacy teams/brands like Man U and Arsenal. It's a bullshite barrier to entry that shouldn't exist.
Posted by Sandperson
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 3:52 pm to
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I never said they were light spending, but they haven't been outlier spenders for a long time. No top EPL team is "light spending", and even mid EPL teams are huge spenders on the world stage.

And, pretending that Arsenal (or the other clubs with major institutional advantages as "big clubs" in the EPL) have "organic" status is just as comical. Man U is the worst and Liverpool is probably worse than y'all, but you can't act like you're Brentford or Swansea, here.


Thanks for completely avoiding the charges from FIFA and the FA. You are making Everton's case.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 7:52 am to
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Thanks for completely avoiding the charges from FIFA and the FA

I don't care, and have argue this for 10+ years on here.

Those rules are put in place to protect legacy clubs. As a fan of a legacy club, I can see why you cling so hard to these rules. Same as the Man U guys.

As I argued 10+ years ago, once they overcame the institutional barriers, it would stop, and it has. Now they're the best run club in the EPL.
This post was edited on 5/8/24 at 7:54 am
Posted by WhoDatNC
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 2:30 pm to
Jorginho signs new deal. Great move.
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