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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:56 am to WeeWee
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:56 am to WeeWee
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If he is using the term winter in general terms then I tend to agree, but it is not going to collapse because Ukraine has capitulated. If (big if) Ukraine's southern offensive (fwiw southern Ukraine and Crimea are close enough to the Black Sea that they are not affected by the Rasputitsia or winter weather like norther Ukraine is) advances at about the same rate as the Kiev and Kharkiv counter-offensives did then Ukraine is going to have retaken Kherson and will be pushing towards Crimes if not already in Crimea by January. Once Ukraine has secured the western bank of the Dnieper it can shift its forces to the eastern bank using the intact rail and road bridges in Zaphorzhzhia and Dnipro. If the Ukrainians break through the Russian lines in Zaphorzhzhia oblast there are no natural obstacle for the Russians to use for defense until they fall all the way back into central Crimea. At that point the Russians will not be able to hide it from their population. Did you ever stop and ask yourself why Putin is not trying to expand the Russian army until January? Those troops will not be used to expand Russia's control over Ukrainian territory. Those troops will be used to help keep Putin in power and to reinforce the Russian defenses in the mountains of central and southern Crimea which surround the two major cities of Crimea Simferpol and Sebastopol.
You’re completely missing our point. Obviously Ukraine is going to fight on since it’s their home. It’s Western Europe that is going to collapse and aren’t going to put up with this for much longer. If you haven’t noticed, I’ve been far more focused on what’s going on in Western Europe recently than what’s directly going on in Ukraine (outside of us sending them blank checks). It’s about to get really bad there relative to their modern comforts.
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Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:57 am to OMLandshark
Did little Benjy mention that the natural gas price in Europe suddenly dropped by 21% after the realization that shortages was mostly overhype?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:57 am to ruff fish
I have read your last rambling paragraph three times and I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say.
But, OK.
Seeks like your leader didn't like the leader of the country next door. So he decided to invade. And now it's not going well. But other countries have done worse. So really no big deal.
Is that about it?
But, OK.
Seeks like your leader didn't like the leader of the country next door. So he decided to invade. And now it's not going well. But other countries have done worse. So really no big deal.
Is that about it?
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 11:58 am
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:00 pm to crazy4lsu
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You have to use the img tags in order for the photos to appear.
I put these tags. But the photo still didn't show up :(
Then I'll post the same thing next to you, just a link
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:01 pm to Chromdome35
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Can we replenish the stocks...absolutely, but not quickly. We do not have the industrial base we used to have, and the complexity of modern weapon systems means you have to have specialized manufacturing to produce them. As an example, there is only one factory in the US that can produce M1 Tanks. To start up a new tank factory would take several years.
1. The US Army has 2500 active M1s and 3700 M1s in storage. We have more than enough tanks if a major war breaks out with Russia. It will take Russia 10-20 years to replace the tanks it has lost in Ukraine and in the mean time it will be using its unmodernized T72s, T62s, and maybe even T55s which have already proven to be no match for even the old M1s. Plus we have allies. In Europe, Poland will have a standing army fo 250,000 troops furing peace time and over a million in reserves. It will have between 1000-1500 modern western MBTs, and an air force of over 100 F16s and and F35s by the mid 2020s. The Fins, Norweigns, Dutch, Germans, and British will all have F35s plus Eurofighters, Rafales, F16s, and Gripens. Ammunition and fuel production and delivery would be the problem in a NATO vs Russia war.
2. The Lima Army Tank Plant supposed to be able to double or triple its capacity in the event of war in 6 months time and since a war with China would be an air and naval war for at least the 6-12 months. I would be more worried about the lack of US owned commercial cargo ships that the US could use to transport its forces to Asia.
3. The USA is not going to war against either Russia or China. The most likely scenarios in which the USA will get drawn back into a war are unrest in central and south America, Iran attacking SA and/or Israel, or the Korean war going hot again. If that is the case at least South Korea is ready for war and we would just have to help them.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:03 pm to OMLandshark
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It’s Western Europe that is going to collapse and aren’t going to put up with this for much longer.
Nat Gas storage is nearing capacity in western Europe. Commodity prices are falling. Their economies and political climates are stable.
They have certainly endured far worse over the past 100 years.
Russia is an unstable dictatorship that has spent its entire history expanding and collapsing, subject to revolution and turmoil.
But the EU whose economy is literally 10x the size of Russia is on the verge of collapsing?
You can't really believe this.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:04 pm to ruff fish
That’s odd. Try imgur next time.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:05 pm to WeeWee
It has been obvious from the get go that Russia has only one playbook with a single strategy.
Shell the heck out of an area to turn it to worthless as their Rubble (spelling intended) March soldiers through minefields to explode the mines. Use massed piss poor armor to overcome the opposition.
The fact is that Russi's WWII T-34 was not that great of a tank. Severe maintenance issues with short lifespan of 300 mile average. It just had so many of them.
While the Sherman was considered not the equal of German tanks, tactics was an equalizer. The Russian tankers preferred the Sherman to their T-34
If the Russian military used their way of thinking in critical path management for the construction of a new refinery, it would have 10,000 insulators arrive to work on the last day of the project to attempt to complete it. This while leaving out instrument techs and all the field instrumentation.
Shell the heck out of an area to turn it to worthless as their Rubble (spelling intended) March soldiers through minefields to explode the mines. Use massed piss poor armor to overcome the opposition.
The fact is that Russi's WWII T-34 was not that great of a tank. Severe maintenance issues with short lifespan of 300 mile average. It just had so many of them.
While the Sherman was considered not the equal of German tanks, tactics was an equalizer. The Russian tankers preferred the Sherman to their T-34
If the Russian military used their way of thinking in critical path management for the construction of a new refinery, it would have 10,000 insulators arrive to work on the last day of the project to attempt to complete it. This while leaving out instrument techs and all the field instrumentation.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:10 pm to No Colors
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I have read your last rambling paragraph three times and I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say.
But, OK.
Seeks like your leader didn't like the leader of the country next door. So he decided to invade. And now it's not going well. But other countries have done worse. So really no big deal.
Is that about it?
It’s hard for us to communicate because I studied English back in the USSR at the university.
Since then there has been no communication. Are you trying to offend me that I have an unrelated speech?
I have suggested many times to switch places. You will write in Russian (through a translator) on a Russian-language resource, and I will not reproach you for bad Russian.
And the other thing is not to attribute to me what I did not say.
Putin clearly and clearly said what he wants from Ukraine and NATO as a whole. Ukraine was required to guarantee against not joining NATO, and not that someone did not like Zelensky.
The Kremlin was clearly told that the doors to NATO are open and if Ukraine wants, it can join.
Exactly THIS is unacceptable for the Russian Federation.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:11 pm to OMLandshark
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You’re completely missing our point. Obviously Ukraine is going to fight on since it’s their home. It’s Western Europe that is going to collapse and aren’t going to put up with this for much longer. If you haven’t noticed, I’ve been far more focused on what’s going on in Western Europe recently than what’s directly going on in Ukraine (outside of us sending them blank checks). It’s about to get really bad there relative to their modern comforts.
By the end of the year and spring of next year Europe would have restarted a lot of its cola plants and the floating LNG facilities they have purchased will be coming online. France would have also repaired and restarted its nuclear plants which are currently shutdown. In addition to all of that. Western Europe has agreed to multiyear contracts with countries besides Russia to supply them with coal and natural gas and oil. Do you think that they will pay to break those contracts and undo all the work they have been putting in restoring old power plants and building new infrastructure? Europe is in for a hell of rough winter and it will likely go into a recession because of the energy crisis. However, the energy crisis will be over or at least greatly reduced by next spring. The Europeans are not stupid they know who caused their energy bills to sky rocket and so even if western european governments do fall they will not be replaced by pro Russian governments. If western european governments cut off aid to Ukraine then it really doesn't matter. Since, Western Europe is basically irrelevant to this war because they are only providing a fraction of the weapons they have promised.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:13 pm to CitizenK
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While the Sherman was considered not the equal of German tanks, tactics was an equalizer. The Russian tankers preferred the Sherman to their T-34
do historians know about it?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:15 pm to crazy4lsu
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Do you ever listen to anyone remotely knowledgeable about anything, or is it the same ‘culture war’ sources for everything?
Who should I be listening to? Here are my main ones:
Tim Pool
Ben Shapiro
Kyle Kulinski
Jimmy Dore
Krystal Ball
Saagar Enjeti
Glenn Greenwald
Tucker Carlson
Megyn Kelly
Glenn Beck
Russell Brand
Bari Weiss
Bill Maher
JP Sears
Jack Posobiec
Andy Ngo
Clarissa Ward
Jonathan Swan
Josh Rogin
Like Rudkowski
Maajid Nawaz
TheQuartering
Carl Benjamin
Neil Oliver
I’d say that’s a pretty balanced media diet.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:15 pm to OMLandshark
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Western Europe that is going to collapse and aren’t going to put up with this for much longer. If you haven’t noticed, I’ve been far more focused on what’s going on in Western Europe recently than what’s directly going on in Ukraine (outside of us sending them blank checks). It’s about to get really bad there relative to their modern comforts.
How exactly are they going to affect the course of the war, when in financial terms they are minimally involved, and thus have little leverage with regards to Ukraine’s course of action? You keep saying they won’t put up with it without ever being specific.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:20 pm to OMLandshark
First, I wasn’t asking for a list. None of those people have any particular expertise in geopolitics (other than Greenwald), which aids my point about listening to people with expertise. Secondly, how the frick do you have time to listen to all these people? My god, go volunteer or something.
If I’m interested in a topic, I can assure you that the last people I would go to are any of those media weirdos.
If I’m interested in a topic, I can assure you that the last people I would go to are any of those media weirdos.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:24 pm to No Colors
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Nat Gas storage is nearing capacity in western Europe. Commodity prices are falling. Their economies and political climates are stable.
Is this what you call stability?
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They have certainly endured far worse over the past 100 years.
Yeah, and apart from East Germans, almost all of them are dead. I’m sorry, but only like maybe 8% of Western Europe is within living memory of this. No one ever thinks it can happen to them. We are in the Fourth Turning, and if it’s actually going to happen it will happen between now and 2024.
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Russia is an unstable dictatorship that has spent its entire history expanding and collapsing, subject to revolution and turmoil.
But the EU whose economy is literally 10x the size of Russia is on the verge of collapsing?
You can't really believe this.
Russians understand a world of shite. Almost all the Western Europeans that do are now dead. Our old fool of a President doesn’t remember WWII, and saying a 100 years gap means they understand war? Sorry, they are relatively fat, spoiled, and weak. They are not of their grandfathers generations.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:24 pm to crazy4lsu
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How exactly are they going to affect the course of the war, when in financial terms they are minimally involved, and thus have little leverage with regards to Ukraine’s course of action? You keep saying they won’t put up with it without ever being specific.
It is quite an easy concept I would imagine.
Simply ask yourself, would Ukriane be standing if not for Western intervention? Arms, money, training, Ops info?
That answer is No.
SO then logically, Ukraine will last as long as aid is being sent.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:27 pm to ruff fish
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The Kremlin was clearly told that the doors to NATO are open and if Ukraine wants, it can join.
Exactly THIS is unacceptable for the Russian Federation.
It's not your poor English that's the problem. It's your illogical ideas.
Russia doesn't like its neighbor. This is an intolerable situation. So it invades and bombs its neighbor to rubble, kills tens of thousands, and destroys its infrastructure.
Is this how you think modern problems should be solved?
Are you prepared for that neighbor to fight back and destroy your army?
Would it not be fair and reasonable for that neighbor to respond by invading and destroying a portion of your country in return?
Are you willing to be subject to the rules you proclaim to follow?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:29 pm to ruff fish
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Ukraine has been counterattacking on Kherson, if I'm not mistaken, for two months now. This is information for their Western partners to keep paying money. Look for photographic evidence, not painted pictures But in fact, everything is different. Here are the destroyed HIMARS LINK / LINK / There's a lot more out there, but I don't think it'll be good here.
Those pictures you posted are of a M777(A2) 155mm towed howitzer and M1083A1P2 armored cargo truck.
The strewn ammunition is 155m artillery shells which would have no purpose with HIMARS.
LINK
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:33 pm to OMLandshark
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By the way listening to Ben Shapiro’s podcast right now, and even as hawkish as he is that he is now agreeing with me that this is all going to collapse come winter.
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OMLandshark
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:36 pm to ruff fish
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I have suggested many times to switch places. You will write in Russian (through a translator) on a Russian-language resource, and I will not reproach you for bad Russian
Touche’
I studied Russian for only two years while in college, and I know well enough to admit that my Russian is virtually non-existent now. Google translate would be my only hope, and it doesn’t always produce understandable translations.
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