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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/15/24 at 8:14 am to cypher
Posted on 5/15/24 at 8:14 am to cypher
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Speaking in Kyiv during a press conference, Blinken was asked about recent Ukrainian complaints that a Washington ban meant Ukraine was unable to attack Russian forces as they were building up before crossing the border into Kharkiv Oblast.
"We've not enabled or encouraged strikes outside of Ukraine, but ultimately, Ukraine has to make decisions for itself about how it's going to conduct this war," he said.
Do they think this might cause Russia to use new tactics with this as justification? If there ever was a hard line "no" on the issue its definitely dissipated. Now we are kind of just saying "Its your choice, but I wouldn't do it".... like telling a private not to finance a Mustang at 35% APR
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 8:18 am to cypher
There was a short period where it was effective and useful, and then the Russians adapted to it. If you fire 10 misiles, you’re lucky if one gets through now. The Russians were able to tune their air defense systems to identify and intercept them. And their electronic warfare systems are able to jam/spoof the GPS guidance. That’s why the other GPS guided munitions aren’t working well, it’s why the GLSDB was a failure.
Zalushny called these weapons, one chance weapons, because of the way the Russians quickly adapted to them.
Zalushny called these weapons, one chance weapons, because of the way the Russians quickly adapted to them.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 8:25 am
Posted on 5/15/24 at 8:25 am to Lima Whiskey
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There was a short period where it was effective and useful, and then the Russians adapted to it. If you fire 10 misiles, you’re lucky if one gets through now. The Russians were able to tune their air defense systems to identify and intercept them. And their electronic warfare systems are able to jam/spoof the GPS guidance. That’s why the other GPS guided munitions aren’t working well, it’s why the GLSDB was a failure.
Zalushny called these weapons, one chance weapons, because of the way the Russians quickly adapted to them.
IDK man, I think Ukraine are the only ones that do any adapting to battlefield conditions
Posted on 5/15/24 at 8:28 am to VolSquatch
Probable Mass ATACMS Missile Strike Hits Russian Airfield in Crimea
The Kremlin said all the US-made long-range missiles were shot down, but the claim was debunked by big fires burning for hours at Belbek airfield and official warnings of cluster munitions.
by Stefan Korshak | May 15, 2024, 4:05 pm
Still image from a video made public by the Ukrainian military purported showing missiles striking the Russia-controlled military airfield in Belbek, Crimea. The video seemed to have been made public as a response to Russian claims the early morning’s missile strikes on the airfield by Ukraine failed utterly.
Powerful explosions hit the main base of Russian military aviation in Crimea in the early hours of Wednesday and set fires burning for hours, in long-range strikes the Kremlin said were American ATACMS missiles fired by Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) gunners.
Local social media followed by regional officials reported more than twenty explosions of varying intensity audible in the vicinity of Belbek airfield beginning shortly before 2 a.m. Moscow time and lasting about ten minutes.
Russian officials in the occupation authority in the Kremlin-occupied Crimea in early statements said Ukrainian forces had launched long-range missiles at Belbek airfield but all the Ukrainian weapons were shot down.
The military analysis platform OSINTechnical wrote: “Based on the FIRMS data, Ukraine conducted a successful ATACMS strike overnight on Russia’s Belbek Airbase. Multiple [satellite] passes show a massive fire encompassing the southern flightline, likely fed by burning fuel or munitions.”
The Kyiv Post
The Kremlin said all the US-made long-range missiles were shot down, but the claim was debunked by big fires burning for hours at Belbek airfield and official warnings of cluster munitions.
by Stefan Korshak | May 15, 2024, 4:05 pm
Still image from a video made public by the Ukrainian military purported showing missiles striking the Russia-controlled military airfield in Belbek, Crimea. The video seemed to have been made public as a response to Russian claims the early morning’s missile strikes on the airfield by Ukraine failed utterly.
Powerful explosions hit the main base of Russian military aviation in Crimea in the early hours of Wednesday and set fires burning for hours, in long-range strikes the Kremlin said were American ATACMS missiles fired by Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) gunners.
Local social media followed by regional officials reported more than twenty explosions of varying intensity audible in the vicinity of Belbek airfield beginning shortly before 2 a.m. Moscow time and lasting about ten minutes.
Russian officials in the occupation authority in the Kremlin-occupied Crimea in early statements said Ukrainian forces had launched long-range missiles at Belbek airfield but all the Ukrainian weapons were shot down.
The military analysis platform OSINTechnical wrote: “Based on the FIRMS data, Ukraine conducted a successful ATACMS strike overnight on Russia’s Belbek Airbase. Multiple [satellite] passes show a massive fire encompassing the southern flightline, likely fed by burning fuel or munitions.”
The Kyiv Post
Posted on 5/15/24 at 8:46 am to cypher
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The Kremlin said all the US-made long-range missiles were shot down, but the claim was debunked by big fires burning for hours at Belbek airfield and official warnings of cluster munitions. by Stefan Korshak | May 15, 2024, 4:05 pm
But I just read an expert report that Russia has adapted and nothing can get through?????
Posted on 5/15/24 at 8:47 am to cypher
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Ukraine asks US to lift ban on using American arms to strike at Russian territory
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Two unnamed U.S. officials told Politico that Washington's policy on the issue has not changed.
"The assistance is for the defense and not for offensive operations in Russian territory," one of them told the news outlet.
Sad.
You Biden supporters figured out yet that Dementia Joe.doesn't want.
Putin losing. Strong policy there Joe.
Weak.and Incompetent as.hell.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:13 am to doubleb
The last two ATACMS attacks on Crimea were repelled but this one did a significant amount of damage.
1 plane destroyed
3 planes damaged
2 launchers destroyed
11 people killed
1 plane destroyed
3 planes damaged
2 launchers destroyed
11 people killed
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:23 am to ColtRange
Bloomberg reporter:
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Scoop: Biden admin working to send an additional Patriot battery to Ukraine, as US and allies scramble to meet the country’s demand for more air defenses to repel an intensified Russian assault. US seeking to send a battery along with radars. @nat_droz @AlbertoNardelli & me
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:51 am to VolSquatch
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IDK man, I think Ukraine are the only ones that do any adapting to battlefield conditions
Those planes adapted from uncooked to well-done.
*ETA -- US / Germany trying to provide an additional 3 patriot batteries. The "glide bombs" from Russia are incredibly effective, and they're doing a ton of damage.
It seems like most of the "innovations" of this war were almost comically simplistic.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 9:54 am
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:53 am to doubleb
The reason the Russian JDAM analogues are so effective, is because the Russians can deliver a large number of them every day, and the Ukrainians don't have an ability to stop them. That is a weapon that will change the war.
The ATACMS won't, because only a small number can get through, in this attack allegedly 2 of 16, and because it's used so infrequently.
The ATACMS won't, because only a small number can get through, in this attack allegedly 2 of 16, and because it's used so infrequently.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:56 am to RuLSU
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Those planes adapted from uncooked to well-done.
UkBots and clinging to one example as absolute proof, name a more iconic duo
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:57 am to RuLSU
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It seems like most of the "innovations" of this war were almost comically simplistic.
When I hear "Glide Bombs" I think of the little bomb guys from Super Mario holding on to a glider
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:00 am to VolSquatch
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When I hear "Glide Bombs" I think of the little bomb guys from Super Mario holding on to a glider
That's not far off. And again, we're talking about Cold War era bombs sent out on glorified kites.
There was such emphasis on high-tech deterrence that ACME-tier gear seems to work best.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:02 am to Lima Whiskey
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The ATACMS won't, because only a small number can get through, in this attack allegedly 2 of 16, and because it's used so infrequently.
So roughly 15% can get through?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:04 am to Lima Whiskey
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Ukrainians don't have an ability to stop them
Not until F-16s arrive in quantity later this year.
Amraams have a longer range than the glide bombs.
Russia will have to come up with a new idea. And repeat.
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That is a weapon that will change the war.
It's a weapon that gave the Russians a temporary upper hand. Which they have used to kill thousands of Ukrainians and level dozens of villages. And moved the front lines almost imperceptibly.
Russia will have to come up with something much more drastic than this to "change the war".
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:12 am to trinidadtiger
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Now for real news:
ukraine just fired the general in charge of Kharkiv
1000s of civilians have been evacuated Russia has taken nine villages in the surrounding area
Id expect the city to fall in the next 48 hours
What happened???
Is someone putting out fake news?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:21 am to doubleb
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What happened???
Is someone putting out fake news?
You must not have read the thread rules, its all fake if you don't like it
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:21 am to doubleb
15% is too high, they've had strikes where nothing got through.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:35 am to doubleb
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The ATACMS won't, because only a small number can get through, in this attack allegedly 2 of 16, and because it's used so infrequently.
So roughly 15% can get through?
Russian officials said none of the ATACMS that hit Belbek "got through" last night.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:36 am to cypher
It's possible that they fell short, they clearly hit something.
Some of the missiles we sent appear to have range degradation issues, perhaps because the missiles are so old. GPS jamming also means their CEP is much higher.
Some of the missiles we sent appear to have range degradation issues, perhaps because the missiles are so old. GPS jamming also means their CEP is much higher.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 10:39 am
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