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"Russia is obviously winning" stuff, to me, doesn't matter... if the collective West decides "there's no fricking way we're letting Putin win" he will be stopped

Obviously if we decide all options are on the table they lose. The question is "is Ukraine worth it?" and the answer is "no". It always was no and always will be no.

So then the question becomes "Can we bankroll Ukraine into winning the war since we won't fight it?". I think if we choose to decimate our own stocks and the stocks of our allies we can. Can we do it in a responsible way? Not sure.

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I wonder if a lot of the tepid-seeming approaches the US and West seem to take in this is somewhat due to the "if Putin falls immediately, what happens to the over 5,600 nukes scattered across 14 time zones?" thing?

If the problem ended with Putin, or if his death wouldn't create more problems, it would have happened already.

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Posted by Lee B

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Posted on 5/15/24 at 2:50 pm to VolSquatch

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If the problem ended with Putin, or if his death wouldn't create more problems, it would have happened already.

This is certainly true.

Even if Yeltsin was "our buddy," he was launching similar wars to keep former satellites under Russian control while he was President... he was just infinitely more charming and cuddly.

The Estonians and Latvians and Lithuanians and Fins and Poles say "the problem isn't just Putin, it's Russia!" Historically, all Russian leaders have been obsessed with using those countries as their own security buffer.

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