- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Haley declines to say slavery was cause of Civil War
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:40 am to ragincajun03
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:40 am to ragincajun03
OK, you're right. Nimarata Randhawa is a "citizen" of the America-In-Name-Only Economic Zone.
I'm sure that when the framers of the Constitution talked about securing the blessings of liberty to "our Posterity" they meant the children of every Hindu and Somali that washes up on the shore.
I'm sure that when the framers of the Constitution talked about securing the blessings of liberty to "our Posterity" they meant the children of every Hindu and Somali that washes up on the shore.
3
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:43 am to rmnldr
Slavery was not THE cause of the Civil War.
It was A cause. A very important cause, but not the cause!
The South was originally the most powerful political region in the nation. From 1789-1825 the South (Virginia) provided presidents for 32 of the first 36 years.
Southern political power declined steadily thereafter. With it was tariffs, states rights, and the expansion of slavery west.
By 1860 the South had won the slavery issue! The North East and Midwest responded with the Republican Party. This was the first regional party and anti-South.
With Republican victory in 1860 the handwriting was on the wall, however Lincoln tried to assure the South that slavery would not be infringed. In his inaugural speech, Lincoln supported the Corwin Amendment to constitutionally guarantee Congress would not interfere with slavery in the states where it currently existed. But their main worry was loss of political and economic power to a party that would not respect their state sovereignty.
South Caroline succeeded on December 24, 1860.
Fort Sumpter was fired upon April 12, 1861.
Lincoln calls for 75,000 volunteers for three months, including 3,500 Virginians to restore Federal property taken in the South by force.
1/3 of Virginia was secessionist, 1/3 was staunchly Union, and 1/3 was Unionist as long as the Union wouldn’t force the Confederacy back in the union. The call for 75,000 flipped Virginia’s Unionist outlook. She succeeded April 17, 1861.
On January 1, 1863, Lincoln issued the final Emancipation Proclamation. It only affected slaves in the Confederacy, and was probably an unconstitutional executive order.
The 14th Amendment was adopted July 9, 1868 officially and constitutionally ending all effects of slavery.
Slavery was the linkage of all the issues. It allowed commodity agriculture like cotton, tobacco, sugar etc. It was the key economic driver of Southern imports and exports. This caused South to be the main contributor to federal revenue. They had the negative consequences of protective tariffs while the North reaped the benefits. And Northern political power would limit the expansion of the Southern slave based economy. This assured that the federal government would overwhelm states rights and lead to today’s strong federal presence in the lives of all Americans.
It was A cause. A very important cause, but not the cause!
The South was originally the most powerful political region in the nation. From 1789-1825 the South (Virginia) provided presidents for 32 of the first 36 years.
Southern political power declined steadily thereafter. With it was tariffs, states rights, and the expansion of slavery west.
By 1860 the South had won the slavery issue! The North East and Midwest responded with the Republican Party. This was the first regional party and anti-South.
With Republican victory in 1860 the handwriting was on the wall, however Lincoln tried to assure the South that slavery would not be infringed. In his inaugural speech, Lincoln supported the Corwin Amendment to constitutionally guarantee Congress would not interfere with slavery in the states where it currently existed. But their main worry was loss of political and economic power to a party that would not respect their state sovereignty.
South Caroline succeeded on December 24, 1860.
Fort Sumpter was fired upon April 12, 1861.
Lincoln calls for 75,000 volunteers for three months, including 3,500 Virginians to restore Federal property taken in the South by force.
1/3 of Virginia was secessionist, 1/3 was staunchly Union, and 1/3 was Unionist as long as the Union wouldn’t force the Confederacy back in the union. The call for 75,000 flipped Virginia’s Unionist outlook. She succeeded April 17, 1861.
On January 1, 1863, Lincoln issued the final Emancipation Proclamation. It only affected slaves in the Confederacy, and was probably an unconstitutional executive order.
The 14th Amendment was adopted July 9, 1868 officially and constitutionally ending all effects of slavery.
Slavery was the linkage of all the issues. It allowed commodity agriculture like cotton, tobacco, sugar etc. It was the key economic driver of Southern imports and exports. This caused South to be the main contributor to federal revenue. They had the negative consequences of protective tariffs while the North reaped the benefits. And Northern political power would limit the expansion of the Southern slave based economy. This assured that the federal government would overwhelm states rights and lead to today’s strong federal presence in the lives of all Americans.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:53 am to rmnldr
It was actually about the populated industrial north using their majority representation in Congress to protect their economic interests at the detriment to the south’s economic interests. They passed protectionism laws on British imports causing the Brits to retaliate against US agricultural exports. South wanted to their states to trade independently with Britain and North said nope can’t do that. South wanted to count slaves as population to increase their representation in Congress and North said if they’re considered people as citizens then they must be free per the Constitution, you cannot count property toward representation. (3/5 compromise came of this issue that delayed the inevitable war). Mounting economic pressure led to resemtment, 3/5 compromise sparked an ongoing debate on slavery and pressure was applied to abolish it. South was already economically struggling with slaves, paying them would have destroyed the southern economy as the tariffs were putting a hurt on the cotton and tobacco industry.
Ultimately it all could have been resolved had the North been willing to give on the economic issues in exchange for abolishing slavery
Slavery was a big issue in the war but it wasn’t fought solely over that. It was because the South felt bullied and that their economic interests were being attacked from many angles. South decided to secede and form a separate nation so they could have their own favorable economic and trade policy. People tend to think the south was full of hateful racists willing to send their sons to war just to keep blacks enslaved while the North was some type of freedom loving heroic rescuer and advocate of freeing blacks from their chains and that wasn’t the case at all. Hell Lincoln had a plan to send them all back to Africa but people seem to forget that
Ultimately it all could have been resolved had the North been willing to give on the economic issues in exchange for abolishing slavery
Slavery was a big issue in the war but it wasn’t fought solely over that. It was because the South felt bullied and that their economic interests were being attacked from many angles. South decided to secede and form a separate nation so they could have their own favorable economic and trade policy. People tend to think the south was full of hateful racists willing to send their sons to war just to keep blacks enslaved while the North was some type of freedom loving heroic rescuer and advocate of freeing blacks from their chains and that wasn’t the case at all. Hell Lincoln had a plan to send them all back to Africa but people seem to forget that
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:55 am to rmnldr
quote:
State rights To own slaves.
Wrong. Only a very small percentage of wealthy landowners owned slaves yet the war was overwhelmingly supported by southern citizens.
It was many economical issues. Slavery was just a part of this equation
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:16 pm to rmnldr
quote:
Therefore the root cause of the civil war is slavery
In order for your statement to be true, you are tying the war to secession.
Secession was brewing long before leaving the Union.
Just look at nullification in SC. Jackson got approval to call up troops and prepare to take military action if SC didn't bend to the FedGov's rules.
If the South seceded over tariffs and as part freed the slaves, do you think Lincoln would not have waged a war to reunite the States? You think he would have just said "well, they left because tariffs were just too damn high!" Now they can go do whatever they please.
This post was edited on 12/28/23 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:16 pm to Bayou
quote:
AND slaves were still owned in Northern states AFTER that war!
Additionally, there were plenty of free blacks in the south that supported the confederacy.
The narrative that it was all about slavery is a relatively recent creation designed to further divide the races. It is a cute narrative that the liberals use to rewrite history in order to justify the tear down of American history, statues, institutions, etc. the ultimate goal is to tear down the Constitution.
Slavery was and is abhorrent.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:22 pm to SUJagsfan
quote:
States rights to do what exactly?
To tamp down inflation on cotton by ensuring source of inexpensive labor?
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:27 pm to deltaland
quote:
Wrong. Only a very small percentage of wealthy landowners owned slaves yet the war was overwhelmingly supported by southern citizens.
It was many economical issues. Slavery was just a part of this equation
Okay but it all circles around back to slavery. And that was the stated reason why they seceded. I agree with every point you make, by the way.
No one in the south whether they owned slaves or not wanted the slaves to become free men overnight. The reason the emancipation proclamation was done was to hopefully incite the slaves to turn against the population and raise hell which would’ve forced CSA forces to divert resources away from fighting the union.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:29 pm to Furious
quote:
The narrative that it was all about slavery is a relatively recent creation designed to further divide the races.
I don’t understand what people don’t get about my view at least. I’m not saying most of the things that people are accusing me of saying in this thread and then conceding that I’m correct about slavery being the root cause for secession which is why the war was fought.
The whole point of the thread was to show how Nikki is a hypocrite bitch who is going to be slayed in the media for this idiotic statement.
I didn’t expect everyone to agree with her. But so goes it. In 2023 we can’t admit that there would have been no civil war if there hadn’t been slavery.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:35 pm to thelawnwranglers
quote:
State rights
A state’s right to do what?
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:42 pm to rmnldr
quote:
In 2023 we can’t admit that there would have been no civil war if there hadn’t been slavery.
Wrong again
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:52 pm to reddy tiger
Desantis comments on it when asked at an event this morning:
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:54 pm to Epaminondas
quote:
I'm sure that when the framers of the Constitution talked about securing the blessings of liberty to "our Posterity" they meant the children of every Hindu and Somali that washes up on the shore.
I can't stand Nikki, but her parents were legal immigrants. They were not here illegally.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:55 pm to Tandemjay
She should be asked why the Democrats still practice slavery to this day ......
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:56 pm to SUJagsfan
quote:
States rights to do what exactly?
Tell the federal government and its' enabler states, some of whom also had slavery, to frick right off.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:57 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
Desantis comments on it when asked at an event this morning:
Home run
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:58 pm to rmnldr
Granted, he knew it would come this morning so was prepared, but that's how you answer that question in this setting.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:59 pm to Cuz413
quote:
Wrong again
So your stance is, if slavery was never allowed in the U.S., there still would’ve been a civil war?
Posted on 12/28/23 at 1:02 pm to rmnldr
quote:
Home run
Yes smashed it to the cheap seats.
Still voting TRUMP 2024!
Posted on 12/28/23 at 1:03 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
I can't stand Nikki, but her parents were legal immigrants. They were not here illegally.
Thanks, Ted Kennedy. And like most conservatives typically do, there are a lot of posters here “conserving” yesterday’s progressive agenda. Many of you will be defending trans rights in 20 years.
Page 10 of 15
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News