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Posted on 5/16/24 at 11:37 am to JasonMason
He has stated multiple times that it was an inspiration for the writing. It doesn’t mean it’s a perfect allegory (nor that it isn’t problematic in places) but its writing has its roots in the social movements of the sixties and seventies
It is but I offer it as a retort to the assertion that it’s just two leaders in conflict over where their “people” stand in relation to the larger populace. Art often imitates life, whether explicitly intended or not
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The MLK v Malcolm X talking point has always been revisionist history.
It is but I offer it as a retort to the assertion that it’s just two leaders in conflict over where their “people” stand in relation to the larger populace. Art often imitates life, whether explicitly intended or not
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 11:40 am
Posted on 5/16/24 at 11:44 am to tylerdurden24
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He has stated multiple times that it was an inspiration for the writing.
Is that why it wasn't really present until Chris Claremont started writing X-Men? and why Stan Lee wasn't on record saying it until the X-Men movie came out?
ETA: Stan Lee would never exaggerate or take credit for things he didn't do
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 11:51 am
Posted on 5/16/24 at 11:54 am to JasonMason
You mean when Claremont started writing in the mid 70s and produced one of the best comic runs ever over the next 15 or so years?
Is your argument against the allegory being a thing really hinged on “Claremont managed to improve literarily on something Lee acknowledged was always present”?
Is your argument against the allegory being a thing really hinged on “Claremont managed to improve literarily on something Lee acknowledged was always present”?
Posted on 5/16/24 at 11:59 am to tylerdurden24
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Is your argument against the allegory being a thing really hinged on “Claremont managed to improve literarily on something Lee acknowledged was always present”?
So it was always the case when stan and jack created the x-men or it wasn't? the x-men were always "woke" or they weren't?
Pick one. Stop moving the goal posts.
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“Claremont managed to improve literarily on something Lee acknowledged was always present”?
This is revisionist history from Stan DECADES after the fact.
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 5/16/24 at 12:06 pm to JasonMason
Guys....who cares? This is such a dumb fight. This is an awesome show that isn't virtue signaling or pushing some agenda. It's the same themes X-Men has had for decades. Those themes can mean different things to different people.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 12:11 pm to abellsujr
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This Cyclops man. I love him.
Do you have any thoughts on who should play Cyclops in the MCU? I'm all aboard the Glenn Powell train
Posted on 5/16/24 at 12:12 pm to CP3forMVP
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Do you have any thoughts on who should play Cyclops in the MCU?
Idris Elba obviously.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 12:13 pm to CP3forMVP
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Do you have any thoughts on who should play Cyclops in the MCU? I'm all aboard the Glenn Powell train
I've only seen him in Scream Queens. Can he be serious enough to play Cyclops?
Posted on 5/16/24 at 12:16 pm to CP3forMVP
I think Jensen Akles is the guy. He has that anger associated with this Cyclops.
Although he may be too old
Although he may be too old
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 5/16/24 at 12:36 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I've only seen him in Scream Queens. Can he be serious enough to play Cyclops?
Have you seen Top Gun Maverick? He's great in that and kind of gives off that Cyclops persona a bit, imo.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:02 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Those themes can mean different things to different people.
Ding ding ding. That's why so many people love X-Men. It's not because it was written as a civil rights allegory, but some people may take that away from it. Other connect with it for different reasons.
I just dislike the rewriting of history especially when stan Lee takes part in it. Stan Lee was an extraordinary hype man for the brand but he's always been given way too much credit for creating the marvel universe. Comics is a visual medium after all and he was not an artist although a lot of people think he was.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:03 pm to abellsujr
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Although he may be too old
Interesting to think how they would introduce the X-Men and how old would cyclops be?
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:06 pm to imjustafatkid
You’re the kind of mouth breather that allows his politics to ruin everything.
You know why no one cares about that scene ? Because it wasn’t the focus of the show and the show is actually good.
You know why no one cares about that scene ? Because it wasn’t the focus of the show and the show is actually good.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:19 pm to JasonMason
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It's not. During periods of its history it has been, but that's not how it started. It's really about evolution and mutants being superior to humans and trying to co-exist with humans. It's not about civil rights. The big divide is that Xavier thinks they should co-exist where Magneto believes they are the next step in evolution and superior to homo-sapiens and they should not fear them or be subjugated by them because they are better than them.
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“I loved that idea,” Lee told the Guardian in 2000, as the first X-Men movie hit theaters. ”It not only made them different, but it was a good metaphor for what was happening with the Civil Rights Movement in the country at that time.”
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:24 pm to hirematthouse
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“I loved that idea,” Lee told the Guardian in 2000
Again, this was all said after the fact. Like decades later by Stan.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:25 pm to JasonMason
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JasonMason
X-Men premiered in 1963 in the middle of the Civil Rights Movement and the Black Panther character and political party both in 1966....
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:25 pm to abellsujr
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I think Jensen Akles is the guy.
I want Jensen as Wolvie and Jared as Cyke.
I'd been telling the wife this for a few years (we were big into the first 5 or so seasons of Supernatural), and even had an idea of a Cyke/ Wolvie buddy movie.
And along came Ryan Reynolds...
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:33 pm to hirematthouse
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X-Men premiered in 1963 in the middle of the Civil Rights Movement and the Black Panther character and political party both in 1966....
Yes you're making my point. Stan never talked about civil rights and X-Men in an interview until the X-Men movie was coming out.
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:42 pm to imjustafatkid
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Is the show runner lying? What is it that y'all are missing that he attempted to put in the show?
If it triggers you so much, why don’t you cancel your subscription to Disney+ so you stop paying for these shows to be made?
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