re: Can we admit that the only reason people thought Sean Payton was a good coach

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Everyone pretty much all knew Andrew Luck was going to be a star. He was the perfect prospect.

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There’s one of those truly “generational” prospects about once every 10-15 years. Luck, Peyton Manning Elway maybe Aikman. The rest it depends on coaching, the organization and how the player himself develops, how hard he works, studies and learns.

You put a talent like Mahomes with a great coach and organization you get dynasties. Stafford in Detroit you can get some nice stats and occasional playoffs but no high level wins.

The fans posters however don’t know shite. There were meltdowns on the Saints board over the prospect of taking Mahomes. A year ago most of this board was certain CJ Stroud would suck because other QB from Ohio St busted. The board knows jack shite