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re: Griff started off with a roster of Zion, AD and Jrue.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 11:33 am to PP7 for heisman
Posted on 4/30/24 at 11:33 am to PP7 for heisman
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Saying Griff had Zion and AD at the same time intellectually dishonest. It's not a real argument.
I’m not arguing that he should not have traded AD. He chose the package and what team to trade him to. You are missing the entire point. The point is Griff had all three to do what he pleased with. And we are no better now than before he arrived.
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Again, he did not have an All NBA player in his Prime. Jrue, while i love him, is a one time all star and that one time was in 2012, 7 years after Griff arrived.
But he was an all star and good enough to be the number 3 on a championship team. I’m arguing about what he had at the time in trade value. They weren’t broken down and old. Both were in their prime and top assets jeez.
This post was edited on 4/30/24 at 11:41 am
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 12:23 pm to Townedrunkard
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I’m not arguing that he should not have traded AD. He chose the package and what team to trade him to. You are missing the entire point. The point is Griff had all three to do what he pleased with. And we are no better now than before he arrived.
Not taking up for Griffin in any way, but his hands were tied in regards to the AD trade. Rich Paul declaring that AD would only sign an extension with LA severely dampened what teams were willing to give up, hence why he went with the "best" deal on the table
Posted on 4/30/24 at 12:50 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:What other package did he have? Do you think the Celtics were seriously floating Tatum out there? Of course not. Also - he was not able to "choose the package and team." Anthony Davis made it abundantly clear who he was going to resign with - the lakers. This was not some spur of the moment trade involving a guy with 3 years left on his deal. This was a superstar demanding out and dictating exactly where he went.
’m not arguing that he should not have traded AD. He chose the package and what team to trade him to.
Also, why are we pretending we didn't get a great package in return? Brandon Ingram was an all star, MIP, and very good playoff player (until this year when he was injured.) Lonzo, while he wasn't GREAT here, played well as a facilitatiing PG. He didn't buy into that role here as much as we would have liked, and we should have gotten more from him in that trade. Josh Hart played great here and got us CJ McCollum, who, despite his recent performance, is a large part of the reason we have been pretty good the last three years. Hart is now starting on a playoff team.
We then got a shite ton of picks and swaps, which with the news of Lebron likely opting out, become massive for us in the 2025 draft.
quote:What is the point?
You are missing the entire point.
quote:No he didn't, and this is objectively incorect. We have been in the post season three consecutive years. It sucks that we're not further down the road, but we are better than we were in 2019.
The point is Griff had all three to do what he pleased with. And we are no better now than before he arrived.
quote:He was the #3 on a championship team with the best player in the NBA
But he was an all star and good enough to be the number 3 on a championship team.
we didn't have that. quote:We traded Jrue Holiday for a 30 year old who was coming off two consectuive all defense seasons while putting up 15-5-5. The pelicans also received 3 unprotected first round picks, 2 picks swaps, Steven Adams, and Trey Murphy (by extension) from that deal. I would say that's great value for 30 year old Jrue Holiday. None of the picks have even happened yet
’m arguing about what he had at the time in trade value. They weren’t broken down and old. Both were in their prime and top assets jeez.
There's FOUR future picks/swaps we have right now. Jrue was also due for a big contract extension, which he received with the Bucks. What happens in a world where we give that to him and somehow also land Trey Murphy (which we wouldn't have)? Who gets the extensions? Do we let BI walk for nothing? Do we trade Zion?
You're not looking at this from every angle. You're looking at it like we just gave Jrue Holiday to the Bucks for Eric Bledsoe even though we could have gotten some 20 year old all star instead.
It was objectively a good trade. You have to take risks in the NBA. The pelicans took a risk. Giannis was rumored to want out of Milwaukee at that time. You're ignoring a multitude of factors that played a big role in all of this.
I'm frustrated with how this season ended. I do think we have the pieces needed to make a big move this summer. If we don't, then I will 100% be on board with you that Griff has been an abject failure. We have to wait and see.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:49 pm to Townedrunkard
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He chose the package and what team to trade him to
Package, yes.
What team to trade him to? Not really. AD and his team poisoned the well to the point where the only serious bidder was the Lake Show.
If Griff doesn’t take that package, at best you are looking at a deal like the Spurs got for Kawhi, the Sixers got for Ben Simmons, or the Blazers got for Dames.
The Spurs got Derozan and Jakob Poetel. Solid players for them but Derozan left as a sign and trade to Chicago and Poetel got flipped back to Toronto.
Simmons effectively fricked up the chemistry of the Sixers by sending some key subs out and Harden coming in after sitting most of a season.
Portland bottomed out by dumping Dames for Ayton, Jrue, and a pick then flipping Jrue for Timelord and Malcolm Brogdon.
The results were far worse than you would have expected given the incoming players plus Scoot Henderson.
We haven’t had massive success but, OTOH, we also haven’t completely flamed out while mortgaging our future like the likes of Houston, Brooklyn, Philly, Atlanta, Phoenix, etc.
We may not have a huge treasure trove left but we also aren’t a team like Atlanta which went all in on Trae Young and Dejounte Murray, losing some key players in the process and fricking up both their cap space and their picks for years.
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