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re: United Methodist Church votes to allow gay marriage and gay clergy

Posted on 5/2/24 at 6:02 am to
Posted by Deuces
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 6:02 am to
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But Catholics hardly have anything to crow about here, with all the relatively recent sexual predator clergy, and the church playing musical chairs with sexual predator clergy instead of having them picked up by the police.



Compared to the size of the Catholic Church, these incidents appeared with a tiny fraction of the clergy. Like one thousandth of a percentage.

It’s happened with pastors in other denominations as well at a similar percentage.

While it is indeed wrong and some in the church did not react to it correctly (and frankly tried to cover it up), it doesn’t delegitimize the entire organization.

It’s like saying Donald Trump is a business failure because he filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy a few times with his Atlantic City casinos.
Posted by tigerpawl
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Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 6:46 am to
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While it is indeed wrong and some in the church did not react to it correctly (and frankly tried to cover it up), it doesn’t delegitimize the entire organization.
Anybody have the latest stats on the number of former UMC churches that have bugged out (disaffiliated)?
This post was edited on 5/2/24 at 6:48 am
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 8:02 am to
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Compared to the size of the Catholic Church, these incidents appeared with a tiny fraction of the clergy. Like one thousandth of a percentage.


Just the known cases are much more than that, and everyone knows it. The size of the Catholic church is not a positive in this tragedy. Not only because of the sheer numbers of lives and families destroyed, but also in the fact that having this happen in so many places around the world, with it being suppressed and covered up around the world for decades, maybe even centuries, more than implicates the layer upon layer of bureaucracy that is the Catholic church, right up to the Pope.

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While it is indeed wrong and some in the church did not react to it correctly (and frankly tried to cover it up), it doesn’t delegitimize the entire organization.


So the church is bigger and more important than several hundred thousand children being abused, having their childhood and lives destroyed, destroying their families, and affecting every relationship they have for the rest of their lives. You don't think that is one of the most indecent things a person could say about this situation?

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