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Posted on 5/2/24 at 8:55 am to
Posted by troyt37
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 8:55 am to
Champagne:

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This thread is about another major Protestant denomination normalizing a new theology that accepts Homosexual sexual activity as Holy and Blessed by Jesus Christ Himself.

There is no need to Hi-Jack this thread with other unrelated topics involving the Roman Catholic Church. Indeed, such tactics are known as Diversionary Tactics.


Also Champagne, a few posts down:

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The clear language of the Bible indicates that Jesus changed Simon's name to Peter, which means "Rock". Jesus then gave the Keys "to the Kingdom of Heaven", and conferred the "binding and loosing" powers upon Peter.

ALL OF CHRISTENDOM and the entire Christian Church taught these Truths for over Fifteen Centuries - over one-thousand and five hundred years.


BTW, Peter means pebble. The rock that the church is built upon is the fact that Jesus is the Son of God. You don't build a church on a pebble.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 1:45 pm to
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BTW, Peter means pebble. The rock that the church is built upon is the fact that Jesus is the Son of God. You don't build a church on a pebble.



Here's where you went wrong:


Jesus spoke in Aramaic, not in Greek. The NT is written in Greek. Perhaps in Greek there is an argument that "Peter" means "pebble", that is not the case when one considers the meaning of the Aramaic name that Jesus gave to Simon, which is Kepha. In Aramaic, "Kepha" has no alternate meaning that can be interpreted as the word "pebble" in the English language.

So, you are wrong here, factually. It is factual because we know the actual languages, words and word definitions. You are wrong on this level, because the facts say you are wrong, not me - the facts.

You are also wrong on a logical level. Why would Jesus give the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven to a pebble? That defies logic. One must twist the life out of logic to reach the conclusion that Jesus meant to call Peter a "pebble." So, you are wrong on this level, too.

You are also wrong about Jesus meaning to call Peter a pebble in the level of the History of the Church. You are wrong on this third Historical level. We know that for over 1,500 years, all of Christendom considered Peter to have been named "Rock" by Jesus and not "pebble."

So, congratulations. You are wrong on three levels. That's the Trifecta of being wrong.

Can we get back to the Sola Scriptura Methodists who say that Gay Male Sex is one of God's Blessings? Because I would really, really like for somebody to explain to me how Sola Scriptura operated to bring us to this perverted conclusion.

Here's Catholic Answers explanation of Peter is Kepha, which means Rock, not pebble.

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