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re: Okay. Trump concealed payments to Stormy...
Posted on 5/14/24 at 2:03 pm to Jax-Tiger
Posted on 5/14/24 at 2:03 pm to Jax-Tiger
They are saying he wanted to hide the non disclosure agreement to make him more electable. This, they say is election interference. Problem is, Brag can’t charge anyone with a federal crime, and the writing off the non disclosure as a legal expense, even if they deem it’s illegal, is a misdemeanor.
Oh yeah, it’s a convoluted mess and they want it that way to confuse the jury. And I bet the judge gives the jury some low bar standard to find Trump guilty.
Oh yeah, it’s a convoluted mess and they want it that way to confuse the jury. And I bet the judge gives the jury some low bar standard to find Trump guilty.
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Posted on 5/14/24 at 2:04 pm to michael corleone
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Until recently Congress had a secret slush fund it used to pay sexual harassment complaints made against members of Congress by staffers and third parties.
Do you honestly think they don't still have a slush fund for this very purpose? At the very least, the RNC and the DNC have some very wealthy donors that are prepared to step in and make these claims go away - for a price, of course...
Posted on 5/14/24 at 2:04 pm to Jax-Tiger
It was a blackmail payoff, which, if handled correctly, can be considered a business loss, and therefore tax deductible. I haven't seen that the IRS has come after Trump for tax evasion (on this matter), so it's matter of semantics. I'm generally a pretty intelligent and intuitive guy, but in this case, I really don't understand what this is about except lawfare.
This post was edited on 5/14/24 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 5/14/24 at 2:07 pm to Jax-Tiger
Question - why would a notorious germaphobe agree to have unprotected sex with a porn star that has a latex allergy? With all the unprotected sex Stormy has had on and off camera, why would someone, who liberal media outlets have reported has a serious phobia of germs, agree to go bareback on a one-night stand?
If they paid the doorman $30K for his false story, did they pay Stormy for her lie too?
If they paid the doorman $30K for his false story, did they pay Stormy for her lie too?
Posted on 5/14/24 at 2:07 pm to Revelator
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They are saying he wanted to hide the non disclosure agreement to make him more electable. This, they say is election interference.
Wasn't John Edwards exonerated for this very "crime"? If I recall, Edwards actually did use campaign funds to pay Rielle Hunter. IIRC, I think he had to pay them back, but he still was found to be not guilty. Trump, at least, didn't use campaign funds, so you can't say that Trump thought it was a campaign expense.
Has the law changed on this, or something?
This post was edited on 5/14/24 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 5/14/24 at 2:17 pm to Timeoday
The apparent defense for Trump was it was some accounting clerk coding it to legal expenses and that he was not aware of it. That was proven to be false as there were several separate testimonies that Trump was very involved and questioned everything on invoices, backup and also refused to sign some checks.
As to the defense that this was legal expenses, there is the recording with Trump's voice and that sure sounds like it was a payoff to keep it quiet before the election. Also, lawyers are not known for fronting cash for their clients. Cohen is the obvious dumbass who did this but he did cover his arse with documents and recordings.
As to the defense that Cohen is a convicted felon and served time for this, several high-level defendants have been convicted with similar circumstances.
The funniest part of this whole trial was hearing Trump's own lawyer refer to Trump as an Orange Turd at least 2 to 3 times when reading e-mails into the court record.
As to the defense that this was legal expenses, there is the recording with Trump's voice and that sure sounds like it was a payoff to keep it quiet before the election. Also, lawyers are not known for fronting cash for their clients. Cohen is the obvious dumbass who did this but he did cover his arse with documents and recordings.
As to the defense that Cohen is a convicted felon and served time for this, several high-level defendants have been convicted with similar circumstances.
The funniest part of this whole trial was hearing Trump's own lawyer refer to Trump as an Orange Turd at least 2 to 3 times when reading e-mails into the court record.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 2:39 pm to Jax-Tiger
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Trump, at least, didn't use campaign funds, so you can't say that Trump thought it was a campaign expense.
Cohen even admitted that the check that Trump signed off on for legal expenses contained the money for Stomy, plus billing for other work he did. How this isn’t deemed a legal expense is ridiculous.
But of course, the standard Trump is expected to meet is never the same standard others have to follow. This is even true when Trump is denied constitutional rights granted to everyone else.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 2:40 pm to Jax-Tiger
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I think he probably did.
And you can vote. . .
Posted on 5/14/24 at 2:41 pm to Jax-Tiger
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Is a payment for a non-disclosure agreement illegal?
Nope
Posted on 5/14/24 at 2:43 pm to Jax-Tiger
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It is my understanding that falsifying documents is a misdemeanor, unless you falsify the documents in order to commit a crime. If so, what is the underlying crime that he used the falsified documents for?
The theory of the prosecution is that he violated federal election laws by filing the NDA as a legal expense. Because there is no such statute in NY state and because prosecuting federal laws is beyond their jurisdiction, the judge has decided to allow an indictment without the prerequisite statute violation attached. It's a fundamental right that the defendant know what law he is accused of violating in order to prepare his/her defense. In fact, that due process requirement is explicitly stated in the state constitution.
So they are essentially bootstrapping a misdemeanor book keeping charge whose statute of limitations has long expired to a 36 felony charge indictment based on laws outside of their jurisdiction.
That's assuming their interpretation of the law is even correct with regards to the NDA being a campaign expense (it isn't).
What's even more disturbing.......based on the charges, Trump would have had to pay Stormy hush money from campaign funds to have satisfied this prosecution. Does anyone believe they wouldn't have charged him had he done that?
Posted on 5/14/24 at 2:43 pm to Jax-Tiger
They could make up a crime of illegal walking on a sidewalk and this DA and jury would find him guilty, even if the defense proved he never was on the sidewalk.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 2:47 pm to TheBoo
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Stormy and Cohen had a fling, they cooked up a story to pin it as an affair on Trump with a way to got him.
Q nonsense from a Bama poster
Makes me nostalgic
Posted on 5/14/24 at 2:49 pm to michael corleone
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Until recently Congress had a secret slush fund it used to pay sexual harassment complaints made against members of Congress by staffers and third parties.
Until recently?
Had?
I'm certain that, not only is it still there, but any attempts to expose it are violently responded to.
Why do you think Kevin McCarthy went after Madison Hawthorne so hard? He threatened to expose it and those on whose behalf it paid out from.
This post was edited on 5/14/24 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 5/14/24 at 2:57 pm to VoxDawg
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Even if it happened, paying someone to go away and stay quiet isn't a crime.
If it were a crime, the statute of limitations would've expired.
If it were a crime, why did Bill Clinton's $850k to settle the lawsuit from Gennifer Flowers get a pass?
If it were a crime, then all of Congress has a court date to explain the taxpayer funded congressional slush fund to make sexual assault allegations go away.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 2:59 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Is the other crime supposedly falsifying business documents?
This is what dishonesty looks like.
An inaccurate statement disguised as a question.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 3:03 pm to bluedragon
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Clinton was disbarred for lying to a Grand Jury.
And i assume you approved of that and of his impeachment
But when Trump lies or breaks laws - you don't care? Or you think everyone should be held accountable but Trump?
I am just trying to grasp what level of dictator y'all are looking for in this new republic you are forming.
Y'all kind of remind me of the people who said 'i dont care if OJ killed his wife, i just want him not-guilty"
Its funny thats what you have become.
This post was edited on 5/14/24 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 5/14/24 at 3:05 pm to Jax-Tiger
it doesnt have to make any sense or have any rational outcome.
The ONLY purposes of this trial are to tie him up in court, psychologically degrade him, and convince some people that he's of bad character and pull some votes away from him. Thats it.
It will be a nothingburger and they know it. Just like all of the other trials
The ONLY purposes of this trial are to tie him up in court, psychologically degrade him, and convince some people that he's of bad character and pull some votes away from him. Thats it.
It will be a nothingburger and they know it. Just like all of the other trials
Posted on 5/14/24 at 3:07 pm to McChowder
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So they are essentially bootstrapping a misdemeanor book keeping charge whose statute of limitations has long expired to a 36 felony charge indictment based on laws outside of their jurisdiction.
If they get the conviction on the misdemeanor, they are going to parade around like they won the World Series. This will be "proof" that Trump is a criminal.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 3:09 pm to Tmcgin
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Bama poster
Bama poster?
Posted on 5/14/24 at 3:10 pm to jamiegla1
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psychologically degrade him
Queue montage of Trump degrading multiple people and his crowds laughing at it
But when Trump get degraded (oh how low) by telling the story again and again of how he told a porn star she looks like his daughter before her spanking him - his crowds are like, that's no fair.
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