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re: Chief's Harrison Butker delivers an unforgettable commencement address
Posted on 5/16/24 at 12:51 pm to LNCHBOX
Posted on 5/16/24 at 12:51 pm to LNCHBOX
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Pretty funny he cites church teaching while apparently not reading them
Nothing you quoted allows for the sterile couple to morally have sex. They cannot procreate. They cannot morally have sex.
BOTH unitive AND procreative. It’s NOT unitive OR procreative.
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Posted on 5/16/24 at 12:53 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Nothing you quoted allows for the sterile couple to morally have sex. They cannot procreate. They cannot morally have sex.
BOTH unitive AND procreative. It’s NOT unitive OR procreative.
It is unitive and if they are open to life - you never know - it could end up being procreative. Do you understand that even being considered sterile for men is just because someone has below some level of sperm. And there are cases where they still create life? And there are probably tens of millions of men throughout history who probably conceived while being "sterile." You use the word like it means they can't. All it actually means is that it is unlikely.
But do you know what is also a sin? A vasectomy.
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 5/16/24 at 12:55 pm to Freauxzen
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And we failed that test. Failing that test lead us to a fallen world with a lot of problems, cancer included, that we have to exist in and work our way out of.
Man failed god’s test so now animals get cancer? Damn. Tough break for those other creatures created by god. Never had a chance.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 12:58 pm to Freauxzen
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It is unitive and if they are open to life - you never know - it could end up being procreative
I notice you skipped my post about a woman who received a hysterectomy as part of ovarian cancer treatment. It is biologically impossible for her to procreate. She must live the rest of her life celibate.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:01 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Man failed god’s test so now animals get cancer? Damn. Tough break for those other creatures created by god. Never had a chance.
Animals are just here for our entertainment/work/consumption, they ain't making it to heaven anyway, God doesn't care about them.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:02 pm to Tornado Alley
Did he actually say get back in the kitchen?
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:03 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Freauxzen is right; sterile couples can still have sex and it not be sinful. The act of sex itself (without any interference from the participants) is unitive and procreative. Otherwise, couples that are unsuccessfully trying to conceive would be sinning. Hell it would mean that you have to stop having sex after menopause or a hysterectomy because it's no longer procreative. None of that is the case.
From Humanae Vitae:
That excerpt is also where the church gets its recommendation for natural family planning as a form of birth control. You aren't sinning by having sex during the infertile times of the month. You're using the design God naturally gave you.
From Humanae Vitae:
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It [sexual activity] does not, moreover, cease to be legitimate even when, for reasons independent of their will, it is foreseen to be infertile. For its natural adaptation to the expression and strengthening of the union of husband and wife is not thereby suppressed. The fact is, as experience shows, that new life is not the result of each and every act of sexual intercourse. God has wisely ordered laws of nature and the incidence of fertility in such a way that successive births are already naturally spaced through the inherent operation of these laws. The Church, nevertheless, in urging men to the observance of the precepts of the natural law, which it interprets by its constant doctrine, teaches that each and every marital act must of necessity retain its intrinsic relationship to the procreation of human life. (12)
That excerpt is also where the church gets its recommendation for natural family planning as a form of birth control. You aren't sinning by having sex during the infertile times of the month. You're using the design God naturally gave you.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:11 pm to Freauxzen
I love Harrison Butker 
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:11 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:Ending an innocent human life is a pretty good start
So where does that line end?
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:18 pm to SirWinston
I bet no one in this thread is telling Butker to shut up and stick to football…you know…like the rest of you sheep do to other athletes with bullshite BLM political views.
But that’s none of my business. Just wanted to point out the hypocrisy
But that’s none of my business. Just wanted to point out the hypocrisy
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:21 pm to WicKed WayZ
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I bet no one in this thread is telling Butker to shut up and stick to football…you know…like the rest of you sheep do to other athletes with bullshite BLM political views.
But that’s none of my business. Just wanted to point out the hypocrisy
Congrats on making the same post c on z did. Yikes.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:21 pm to WicKed WayZ
One was invited by a Catholic university to speak on going out into the world as a Catholic. The others made political statements before and during a sports game. If you can't see how those 2 situations might be different, you're "(D)ifferent".
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:22 pm to Ingeniero
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sterile couples can still have sex and it not be sinful.
So says man. Not god.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:27 pm to StrongOffer
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Chief's Harrison Butker delivers an unforgettable commencement addressby StrongOfferOne was invited by a Catholic university to speak on going out into the world as a Catholic.
Then he needed to do that instead of taking the opportunity to come off as a closeted, religious imbecile that time traveled from the 1950s. Dude is a fricking whack job
If you can’t see that then you’re a (R)etard
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:28 pm to WicKed WayZ
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:28 pm to WicKed WayZ
Congrats on just finding the thread and regurgitating the same dumb arguments. Why don't you just go back through. Or maybe don't
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:31 pm to Freauxzen
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God's will IS NOT to give people cancer. The two situations are not related. So stopping cancer, where it is not "an act" of a being or of God, is fine.
Who are we to interfere with your god's will?
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Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:32 pm to WicKed WayZ
quote:The only people saying this didn't actually listen to his speech, just a 2 min rebuttal on social media. He didn't say women shouldn't work, he said your family is much more fulfilling than your career.
Then he needed to do that instead of taking the opportunity to come off as a closeted, religious imbecile that time traveled from the 1950s. Dude is a fricking whack job
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:32 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Who are we to interfere with your god's will?
Another heathen here to explain church teachings
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:33 pm to LNCHBOX
You should sit this one out.
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