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re: 4 year long study on Wegovy/semaglutide shows heart benefits and safety
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:40 am to Robin Masters
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:40 am to Robin Masters
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Adding fiber is the same as taking latest miracle drug.
No, it isn't. All the fiber in the world isn't going to help someone with insulin resistance or thyroid disease.
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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ddiction is largely sociological, psychological, and economic in nature, with a dash of OCD. This applies to drugs, food, shopping, porn, etc.
OC is fine. The vast majority of users have no addiction issues. The people who developed addiction issues likely would have found another one instead.
OC has pretty rough withdrawal and dependency issues.
It might be fine in a vacuum but it was sold as a non-addictive pain killer and was very easy to purchase. It is not hard to see how one can distrust the pharma industry after that
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:40 am to PrimeTime Money
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I don’t have some unique willpower
From the type of willpower that you are implying, I would say you don’t have any willpower at all, and it’s just an illusion. I would encourage anyone that believes that being fat is just lazy or a choice to read Robert Sapolskys book behave. Your ability to successfully change your habits was determined by hundreds if not thousands of actions that you made in the past, and most that you had no say in or control of at all.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:41 am to ronricks
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Being obese is not normal and no we should not accept it is normal nor should we coddle these people in order not to hurt their little feelings.
Then, you are a proponent for these drugs?
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Its no different than the folks trying to normalize men pretending to be women.
It's a little different.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:42 am to Lsupimp
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Second, if we are "sucking off big pharma" because we think a medication has great potential to resolve out NUMBER ONE HEALTH ISSUE, aren't you "sucking off Big Food" by raging against something with no discernable evidence other than hunch that could finally push back against all the garbage they are filling the drive thrus and supermarkets up with?
I stated a couple times that food options in this country suck and that’s why I most certainly sympathize with obese people.
Look nothing I say or do is going to change the trajectory of this drug so not sure why you care what I think anyway. I’m telling you my experience is that there will be a tragic unforeseen consequence to this type of medicine. Call me a Luddite all you want.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:43 am to BugAC
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No, it isn't. All the fiber in the world isn't going to help someone with insulin resistance or thyroid disease.
You missed the point. Seems pretty typical in this thread through.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:45 am to ronricks
quote:ok…then you are joining me in celebrating people using GLP1s to no longer be abnormal and obese, right?
Being obese is not normal and no we should not accept it is normal
quote:Agreed. Instead we should support all efforts to help them no longer be obese right. Maybe shame the people that stubbornly choose to remain obese and reject proven methods that help.
nor should we coddle these people in order not to hurt their little feelings.
quote:I guess. If there was a peptide that blocked whatever mental disorder caused people to do this, you would support it wouldn’t you?
Its no different than the folks trying to normalize men pretending to be women.
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There must be push back and ground rules set or you end up with a bad result.
So what are you pushing back against with respect to glp1s? Aren’t they a product that is on the side against obesity and it’s normalization?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:46 am to BugAC
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Then, you are a proponent for these drugs?
One can lose weight with them or without them. My comments in this thread have been along the lines of the original post which is that they show benefits and safety. I did not come in here and change the topic nor derail the thread from the original post. Some seem to have an issue with that? Its really really weird. I have remained completely neutral as to the premise of the thread topic.
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It's a little different
Its not. Go fat shame someone and see what the reaction is. It is the same as the libs that so desperately want you to think that men can get pregnant or have a period.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:50 am to ronricks
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Its not. Go fat shame someone and see what the reaction is. It is the same as the libs that so desperately want you to think that men can get pregnant or have a period.
So you’re just a dick trying to justify being a dick.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:50 am to Robin Masters
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The side effects will be something
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:50 am to LSUfanatic
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Now if only they insurance approve it!
So, this is a serious issue for the top experts that work on real top down changes through lobbying. Access is at the forefront of the fight right now. Currently, we have SB106 working its way, which is already a huge win. It’s for surgical intervention, but part of the same fight. Medical intervention will follow in time. The long term cost saving is mind boggling. The right now cost of the medicine is high, sure, but consider accepting that cost but reducing the cost of treating everything that results from obesity not being treated. It’s not even remotely close, but the overlap lag causes a problem.
Call your congressman and state your support for the bill if you truly want to help.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:51 am to Robin Masters
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You missed the point.
What point? That you're assumptions are everyone is fat by poor diet, and no other factors exist?
These drugs are pretty miraculous. I know people that suffered from thyroid disease, worked out constantly, dieted, tried everything and nothing worked. For years. Endocrinologist had them on the usual medicine to control the thyroid levels but no amount of exercise or diet made a big difference. This stuff did.
Now, there are others that i know of, that were not fat by any means, but decided to take this stuff as a cosmetic treatment like botox. They too lost weight. Way too much weight where they look anorexic. Those people take it for vanity purposes, and you may be thinking of those rather than the people that actually benefit from it.
Regardless, who cares? Isn't it a good thing if people are less risk of obesity?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:53 am to Robin Masters
quote:Do you think this potential unforeseen consequence that has yet to manifest itself in a couple of decades of use outweighs the devastating known consequences of obesity?
I’m telling you my experience is that there will be a tragic unforeseen consequence to this type of medicine.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:54 am to WDE24
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ok…
There's no 'ok' here there is no argument to be had. Obesity is abnormal. Period. End of discussion.
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Agreed. Instead we should support all efforts to help them no longer be obese right. Maybe shame the people that stubbornly choose to remain obese and reject proven methods that help.
Diet and exercise and lifestyle changes are proven throughout history.They wok. Why would I not support that theory? We after all have over 200 studies showing this. Right?
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I guess
Again, there is no 'guessing'. Obesity isn't normal just like pedophilia isn't normal just like trans-sexuality isn't 'normal'. You seem to be having a very hard time understanding this. Do you happen to be a homosexual or bi-curious male? Your position on this is really strange.
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So what are you pushing back against with respect to glp1s?
I have not pushed back on the topic of this thread. Not one single time in this thread. You can lose weight with them or without them its your choice.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:55 am to BugAC
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What point? That you're assumptions are everyone is fat by poor diet, and no other factors exist?
No the point was she was trying to label me a hypocrite because I asked if adding fiber to my diet would help me shite less in the morning. Which it has, thanks for asking.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 10:56 am
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:56 am to ronricks
quote:So if there was a peptide that blocked pedophiles from having deviant urges, would you support its use?
Again, there is no 'guessing'. Obesity isn't normal just like pedophilia isn't normal just like trans-sexuality isn't 'normal'.
quote:Right. And a safe and effective peptide exists that helps people have a healthier diet. That is great, right?
Diet and exercise and lifestyle changes are proven throughout history.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 10:59 am
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:57 am to BluegrassBelle
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So you’re just a dick trying to justify being a dick.
The reaction you will get for fat shaming an obese person is the exact same one you will get from telling a blue or green haired person a man can't get pregnant or have a period. People so desperately want these abnormal behaviors to be normal. I'm here to tell you they aren't and never will be.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:58 am to WDE24
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So if there was a peptide that blocked pedophiles from having deviant urges, would you support its use?
We already have this it is called castration and has been used. You are aware of this right?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:01 am to ronricks
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I have not pushed back on the topic of this thread. Not one single time in this thread. You can lose weight with them or without them its your choice.
We have all agreed that eating less, eating well and working out are proven methods for weight loss. No one is arguing it isn’t.
So, with that agreed, you say your aren’t arguing against these meds. Sweet. Then there’s nothing else to say bc we all obviously agree with each other
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:02 am to ronricks
quote:I did not know castration was a peptide. TIL
We already have this it is called castration and has been used. You are aware of this right?
So, assuming this peptide castration you are referring to helps stop pedophelia, you support its use and champion it, right?
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