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The economy continued to be the strongest in the world and rather than focus on short term inconveniences (oil tarrifs specifically listed by Trump in 88, market manipulation and tarrifs by Japan) instead we focused on long term trade and we remained the most powerful country in the world.

Your desperation in this thread to spin what Trump said to try to make him wrong is not convincing, but it is amusing.

Your attempt to make us believe that the reason the US is stronger than Kuwait and Japan is based on our "long term trade" instead of a myriad of factors is laughable. Having a stronger economy isn't proof that letting ourselves get screwed over in trade is a positive, nor is it reason to overlook getting screwed in trade.

Can you really say we have a stronger economy than Japan when we are 30 trillion in debt? Which brings us to another of Trump's points you glossed over. These countries are allowed to trade freely because of our military. Why shouldn't Kuwait pay us a fee if they benefit from our protection? Consider it a processing fee instead of a tariff. Now, you can keep your principles while still using common sense.

It's also clear that Trump has had the same opinion for 40 years. That blows your whole "Trump has no principles and is just telling people what they want to hear" narrative out of the water.

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Posted by Timeoday

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Posted on 5/16/24 at 8:18 pm to TenWheelsForJesus

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It's also clear that Trump has had the same opinion for 40 years.

Exactly. He knew what needed to be done, even then. It is quite fascinating to see remarkable change occur rapidly when going against the establishment or status quo.

So many others worldwide are picking up his model and making tremendous differences quickly in their countries. When it comes to the human model, the more things change, the more things stay the same.

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Posted by Adam Banks

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Posted on 5/16/24 at 8:45 pm to TenWheelsForJesus

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Your desperation in this thread to spin what Trump said to try to make him wrong is not convincing, but it is amusing.

Please tell me what I am spinning.

I’m quoting him.

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Can you really say we have a stronger economy than Japan when we are 30 trillion in debt?

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As of December 2023, Japan's debt-to-GDP ratio is 263% which is the highest of any developed nation. This is due to the country's national debt, which is estimated to be around $9.2 trillion, or 263% of GDP, as of March 2023. This debt has remained above 100% of Japan's GDP for two decades.

Sorry to rain on your America hating parade

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These countries are allowed to trade freely because of our military. Why shouldn't Kuwait pay us a fee if they benefit from our protection?

So you want to push them into further alliance with Iran and Russia.

Smart move.

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It's also clear that Trump has had the same opinion for 40 years

I remarked in my first post that his rhetoric was the same even 40 years ago. My point is that makes his current arguments less effective particularly given context of what happened to each of the three countries in just a few years after these comments.

This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 8:53 pm

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