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Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:08 am to Hoodatt
It's 100 right? Cause the money in the register is gone?
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:39 am to tom
Disclaimer: I believe in God.
It's an equation "proving" the mathematics of the ontological argument so of course it is going to be self-referencing.
You don't need math to prove the ontological argument to the degree this equation did. The structure of the argument is built on a valid form of deductive logic which assumes it's own truth within its form. Therefore, it's deductive and 100% formally valid. It's informal validity is what you are calling into question.
It's an equation "proving" the mathematics of the ontological argument so of course it is going to be self-referencing.
You don't need math to prove the ontological argument to the degree this equation did. The structure of the argument is built on a valid form of deductive logic which assumes it's own truth within its form. Therefore, it's deductive and 100% formally valid. It's informal validity is what you are calling into question.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:41 am to theunknownknight
Does this mean that i should start giving 10% to the church so the Pastor can get another new Harley?
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:43 am to NikeShox
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Does this mean that i should start giving 10% to the church so the Pastor can get another new Harley?
What? Can you read? I wasn't supporting or denying this equation. I was explaining why it seems off-putting to some.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:45 am to Peepdip
Rational
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:50 am to crazyLSUstudent
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:50 am to Hoodatt
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Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:09 am to Hoodatt
Everything they used to prove God is real is based on the premise that God is real. If they ran the exact same shite with the premise that God isn't real, they'd come to the conclusion that he isn't real
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:16 am to Peepdip
Technically you're agnostic. The only logical stance to take on this issue. Truly intelligent people understand there is no way to prove or disprove God. I consider myself agnostic, but if you forced me to take a stand I'd be an atheist.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:29 am to Hoodatt
Basic statistics and probabilities prove it.
There's a better chance of a supreme being/outside actor creating and influencing the creation and development of this universe than it all happening by sheer fricking happenstance.
There's a better chance of a supreme being/outside actor creating and influencing the creation and development of this universe than it all happening by sheer fricking happenstance.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:31 am to Hoodatt
42. The answer is 42.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:36 am to udtiger
I don't believe that. Time is the factor that makes it all possible.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:38 am to Gaston
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Time is the factor that makes it all possible.
Prove it.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:45 am to LCA131
Na, there isn't a creator and that's simple enough.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:47 am to Gaston
Yes there is....and THAT is simple enough.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:48 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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I will kindly exit this thread before over emotional posters get involved in belief vs atheism.
I know right? Those atheists are such pussies when it comes to someone challenging their beliefs.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:54 am to noonan
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If you were born in the middle east you would still believe that right?
Yes, with the slight difference in laws and belief of who his prophets were. Incidentally, rhetorical questions are more effective when they don't have an answer that completely undermines the conclusions in support of which they are offered.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:58 pm to Gaston
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I don't believe that. Time is the factor that makes it all possible.
I put all of the components for a computer in a sealed room and bury it for 5000 years. When the room is opened, an assembled computer will not be in there. Same thing after 10k years or a million. It requires an external actor.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:09 pm to Hoodatt
The problem is that the key to science is to disprove something. I don't believe in God, but I could never say he or she could not exist. In fact, it's entirely possible.
Science can not and should not attempt to prove the existence of God because it's not possible. Disproving God is not really possible, in my opinion, either since you could only every disprove one interpretation of "God".
I believe that if someone believes in God, it's not anyone's place to tell them they're wrong. Science trying to prove God exists is a waste of time and resources. There's a reason it's called "faith". Science and "God" are not opposing sides. As someone who, again, doesn't believe in a God, I think it's arrogant to claim that it's not entirely possible something orchestrated this all. Whether it be the creator some simulation or God, it's entirely possible something started this all.
Science can not and should not attempt to prove the existence of God because it's not possible. Disproving God is not really possible, in my opinion, either since you could only every disprove one interpretation of "God".
I believe that if someone believes in God, it's not anyone's place to tell them they're wrong. Science trying to prove God exists is a waste of time and resources. There's a reason it's called "faith". Science and "God" are not opposing sides. As someone who, again, doesn't believe in a God, I think it's arrogant to claim that it's not entirely possible something orchestrated this all. Whether it be the creator some simulation or God, it's entirely possible something started this all.
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