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re: Hypothetical: 1-9-12 never happens
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:55 pm to Jim Rockford
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:55 pm to Jim Rockford
What team or teams choked down the stretch to let Bama back into the championship game? Okie State? Anybody else?
Posted on 11/8/17 at 6:39 am to Methuselah
It’s damn depressing to think about
Posted on 11/9/17 at 12:59 pm to schwartzy
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Winning it all in 2011 possibly prevents Bama from becoming the empire they are now. It cannot be stated enough how big that game was to finish the hardest schedule in the history of college football.
:wah: :wah: :wah:
Posted on 11/9/17 at 1:10 pm to Jim Rockford
What if we hired Bobby Bowden in 1980 or Steve Spurrier in 1986.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 1:36 pm to lsusa
Bottom line is all LSU had to do is win. Yall CHOKED!
Posted on 11/9/17 at 1:40 pm to Jim Rockford
Probably so. I'd like thank the talking experts of ESPN who helped push Bama in, despite those guys losing to LSU earlier in the year. Unreal.
What amazes me more is the post-1/9/12 scene and how Miles adamantly resisted making some fundamental changes.
What amazes me more is the post-1/9/12 scene and how Miles adamantly resisted making some fundamental changes.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 1:54 pm to 1609tiger
I hate talking about 1-9 because it has been single the most detrimental event in LSU history.
Everything changes without 1-9.
Bama only had 1 championship (2009) before 1-9. Their dynasty had not begun and. Instead we were sitting on the best season in LSU history and our 3rd championship in 8 years.
If we win that day the dynasty that they are living is ours.
Saban's first #1 recruiting class was in 2011. That championship only solidified the run he is on. We've had several top 5 and at least 2 top 2 finishes in that stretch. it's not hard to believe that we would have had 6 #1 classes in that same time frame had 1-9 been different.
Kids would be lining up to come to LSU because we win championships.
Alabama would still be a good team but they wouldn't be the juggernaut they became. I suspect we'd have won national championships in 2012 and at least 1 other year (plus 2011).
And yes. Les Miles would still be here. With a statue.. And probably rivaling Bear Bryant as the best coach in CFB history. Saban would be to Les Miles as Urban is to Saban now.
but besides those things.. yeah I agree...
Another "fun" fact. Tom Herman was the defensive coordinator of the Iowa State team that rallied to hand Oklahoma State their only loss that year. With the way he's currently recruiting Texas he could be directly associated with 15-20 years of LSU mediocrity.
Everything changes without 1-9.
Bama only had 1 championship (2009) before 1-9. Their dynasty had not begun and. Instead we were sitting on the best season in LSU history and our 3rd championship in 8 years.
If we win that day the dynasty that they are living is ours.
Saban's first #1 recruiting class was in 2011. That championship only solidified the run he is on. We've had several top 5 and at least 2 top 2 finishes in that stretch. it's not hard to believe that we would have had 6 #1 classes in that same time frame had 1-9 been different.
Kids would be lining up to come to LSU because we win championships.
Alabama would still be a good team but they wouldn't be the juggernaut they became. I suspect we'd have won national championships in 2012 and at least 1 other year (plus 2011).
And yes. Les Miles would still be here. With a statue.. And probably rivaling Bear Bryant as the best coach in CFB history. Saban would be to Les Miles as Urban is to Saban now.
but besides those things.. yeah I agree...
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I don’t think much changes.
Another "fun" fact. Tom Herman was the defensive coordinator of the Iowa State team that rallied to hand Oklahoma State their only loss that year. With the way he's currently recruiting Texas he could be directly associated with 15-20 years of LSU mediocrity.
This post was edited on 11/9/17 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 11/9/17 at 1:58 pm to Methuselah
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What team or teams choked down the stretch to let Bama back into the championship game? Okie State? Anybody else?
It is incredible how lucky Alabama got.
They were far luckier than we were in 2007 when we only needed two games to go our way. The only upset we needed was Pitt over WVU. The other was Oklahoma over a Missou team that they had already beaten and was favored to do so again in the Big 12 CG.
Alabama needed at least FIVE games to go their way, with Iowa State over OKSU being just the huge upset everyone talks about.
But following the GOTC, the first team Alabama needed to go down was undefeated Stanford, who lost the next week to Oregon, whose only loss to was to LSU in week 1. Had Oregon won out, there is a good chance Oregon, who nearly beat Auburn in the BCSCG the year before, gets The Rematch instead of Alabama.
The following weekend though, Oregon was upset at home by USC. Saban paid Kiffin back for that by hiring him after he was fired and replaced by Ed Orgeron. fricking Trojans.
The following week undefeated Boise State lost to TCU. Had Boise, at the height of their hype, gone undefeated yet again, it would have been very likely that they finally get their shot at a title being the only other undefeated team with LSU.
That same week, perhaps the biggest but least talked about game of all, was Baylor beating 1 loss Oklahoma. Had OU and OKSU both had 1 loss, their 2 or 3 vs 4 matchup on SEC championship weekend while Alabama sat at home would have been a virtual play in game for the right to play LSU in the BCSCG.
But once OU was no longer a contender, OKSUs big win in that game wasn’t enough to overcome the loss to ISU.
And even if ALL of those games still go the same way, the sixth game that Alabama needed was actually LSU beating UGA.
Had LSU lost, it would have taken a lot of the shine off of a Rematch of “clearly the two best teams” meeting again.
It would have been unlikely that Alabama would have been ranked above the LSU team that beat them even with a loss in the last game against a good UGA team. Alabama’s “quality loss” would have taken a hit, and LSU would have owned the head to head, even though neither was a conference champion. At least LSU had won their division.
In that case the entire rankings would have been reshuffled as voters had to reevaluate all of those top 5 teams, and not just point to the GOTC and say oh well clearly they were the best two teams.
It would have likely been LSU against OKSU or possibly Stanford.
The stars truly aligned for Saban in a way similar to 03 when there were four five games that all needed to go a certain way on the very last weekend. This time it was just spread over the last three weeks.
The dude sold his soul no doubt, and has reaped the rewards.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 2:01 pm to class55
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Bottom line is all LSU had to do is win. Yall CHOKED!
Congrats on getting this thread back to the top of the rant with your very first post!
Posted on 11/9/17 at 2:02 pm to Jim Rockford
You want a hypothetical?
What if the Miami Dolphins team doctors didn’t fail Drew Brees on his post shoulder injury physical and he had signed with the Dolphins instead of the Saints?
How different would the NFL and college football be?
How many SEC and possibly national championships would LSU have? What about Bama? Would the Dolphins and Nick Saban win a Super Bowl, surely the Saints would not have.
Hell, if not for that one single decision, Nick may have been a successful NFL coach and, holy shite, Les Miles might be one of the greatest college coaches ever.
That one decision by the Miami Dolphins probabky hurt LSU more than anything else in the last 20 or more years.
What if the Miami Dolphins team doctors didn’t fail Drew Brees on his post shoulder injury physical and he had signed with the Dolphins instead of the Saints?
How different would the NFL and college football be?
How many SEC and possibly national championships would LSU have? What about Bama? Would the Dolphins and Nick Saban win a Super Bowl, surely the Saints would not have.
Hell, if not for that one single decision, Nick may have been a successful NFL coach and, holy shite, Les Miles might be one of the greatest college coaches ever.
That one decision by the Miami Dolphins probabky hurt LSU more than anything else in the last 20 or more years.
This post was edited on 11/9/17 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 11/9/17 at 3:25 pm to memphis tiger
Child molesters at the sec office would still have found ways to screw our kids against bama.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:59 pm to Jim Rockford
Yes. Les Miles would have 2 NC . Eventually...his tired offense would be his downfall. Perhaps..2019 instead of 2016.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 8:03 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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The dude sold his soul no doubt, and has reaped the rewards
Where do I go to trade my soul for millions and fame? Hell, I would be first in line. LOL...I wish it was that easy.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 8:05 pm to Tiger Voodoo
I would say that LSU and Alabama were the best two teams in college football in 2011.
The two best teams played for the title, regardless, of the road that made it happen.
Alabama prepared for the title game. Les Miles did not.
A close title game may have netted a split NC.
The two best teams played for the title, regardless, of the road that made it happen.
Alabama prepared for the title game. Les Miles did not.
A close title game may have netted a split NC.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 8:13 pm to Jim Rockford
I know it sucks
I know Alabama getting a free redo was bullshite
But you gotta let it go
I know Alabama getting a free redo was bullshite
But you gotta let it go
Posted on 11/9/17 at 8:55 pm to ULL Cool J
I blame Les for the loss on 1-9-12 but not for the reasons as most do. I blame Les because he welcomed a rematch. He should have said we proved ourselves. We beat Bama in their house, we have went undefeated and won our division and the SEC title. Why should Bama get to sit at home and get a bid to the title game and we have win win a extra game just to get there. We
Want a different opponent not one that we have already beaten on their turf. If he had done this it would have swayed enough voters so that the rematch never happens.
Want a different opponent not one that we have already beaten on their turf. If he had done this it would have swayed enough voters so that the rematch never happens.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 9:38 pm to Jim Rockford
The most frustrating thing to me is what if LSU had lost TGOTC 9-6 in OT? Do you think LSU would have gotten another chance to play Alabama for the NC? Hell no.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 11:10 pm to lsusa
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The third place team in it's conference had no business in a two-team playoff for the national championship over a conference champ with the same record and better overall resume.
No matter how many times this is stated it deserves an Amen brother!
Posted on 11/10/17 at 12:24 am to Jim Rockford
Les Miles would still be gone, because then he would have been even more convinced that the outdated offense that he ran was the way to go.Although it would still eventually get him fired.I like O and everything, but Les man, why the refusal to change (I really believe it was the offensive coordinator, but Les hired him).Well,good luck in the future.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 1:13 am to Jim Rockford
The bottom line is that we are literally one millimeter (how much the refs determined Quinn Sharp’s fateful kick missed by) from being the program of the decade.
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