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re: CDC says vaccines can't prevent transmission anymore
Posted on 8/6/21 at 8:41 pm to Jack Carter
Posted on 8/6/21 at 8:41 pm to Jack Carter
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How about we spend 1 trillion on developing therapeutics instead of filling potholes, modernizing AMTRAK and handing cash to LGTBV infrastructure?
Ivermectin. From my anecdotal experience, it works. My wife, mom, mother in law, and I all recently got sick (with 2 of them going to get tested and testing positive) and took the recommended dosage and all of us got better within 2 days.
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Posted on 8/6/21 at 8:44 pm to tiger91
The vaccine prevents severe Covid and death.
Posted on 8/6/21 at 8:44 pm to Snek
LAWSUITS! SHITETONS OF LAWSUITS!
MURDER CHARGES! MEDICAL MALPRACTICE CHARGES!
MURDER CHARGES! MEDICAL MALPRACTICE CHARGES!
Posted on 8/6/21 at 8:46 pm to Shaft Williams
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So, why do you want the unvaccinated to be vaccinated? Y'all if you get vaccinated at all don't do it until there's FDA approval and not a second before that. These politicians and bureaucrats don't know shite and are out here shilling for big pharma. It's all a money and power grab. This thing is falling apart quickly and these vaccines very well might be deemed ineffective by the end of the month.
So herd immunity was a lie? Seems so.
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:10 pm to High Tide 07
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The vaccine prevents severe Covid and death
Time is not on the side of this argument unfortunately.
It's less true everyday.
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:44 pm to prplngldtigr
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Explain why lockdowns are the answer.
Amazon needs to make some more trillions
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:45 pm to Tiger985
You guys believe what your agenda wants you to believe. I on the other hand see it everyday so I don’t have an agenda. The fact is that our hospital is 95 percent unvaccinated. How many Covid patients have you guys taken care of?
Posted on 8/6/21 at 11:29 pm to High Tide 07
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The fact is that our hospital is 95 percent unvaccinated
I hope you are open to a bit of knowledge. 6 months ago you were spoon fed that on this day there would be zero cases of corona in the vaxxed, so there should be 0% in your hospital. But you are OK with that changing narrative, because Delta was unforeseen.
Open your mind while I type this part, Delta is beating these vaccines, yet the solution is to inject you again with the same dose that Delta is already defeating, because you admit to having vaxxed cases in your hospital. But you are still OK with that.
Now here we are with Lamda (already found in Louisiana). Lamda has 3 mutations that make it more infectious than Delta, and 2 mutations that make it more severe than Delta. Remember this thread and return to it in 3 months.
Your hospital will be overwhelmed with vaxxed patients due to Lamda, because they developed no long term immunity. The mRNA does not give you immunity as you see in cases now in your care. Also, the studies have been complete regarding Lamda, and are under peer review that will soon reveal this little nugget of truth.
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A new study which has not yet been peer reviewed, identified several mutations that could make the lambda variant more dangerous. Spikes help the virus enter the body's cells; notably mRNA vaccines mimic those proteins in training the body to defeat the virus, which makes a mutation in the spike protein particularly worrisome.
The authors claim that the mutations to the spike protein have made it more infectious, adding that other mutations also help the virus become more resistant to antibodies that are induced through vaccination.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 12:15 am to Shaft Williams
Very interesting that the CDC is doing a 180. What’s up with this? Hedging their bets?
Posted on 8/7/21 at 3:13 am to Shaft Williams
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This post was edited on 8/11/21 at 11:24 am
Posted on 8/7/21 at 4:14 am to GeauxGutsy
No unlike you I understand what a vaccine is intended to do. It’s not to keep you from catching a virus. It’s to make it less severe if exposed to the virus which this vaccine does.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 6:18 am to tarzana
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Time for a trip down Lockdown Lane.
Taking away freedom is never the answer. "It didn't work the first time, but it'll work this time. We promise."
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I'm not an expert on the efficacy of lockdowns.
And yet, you are constantly promoting lockdowns.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 6:39 am to Shaft Williams
Anyone who still believes anything about an infectious deadly airborne disease killing people by the thousands daily is an idiot.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 6:43 am to mtntiger
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Time for a trip down Herd Immunity Lane.
This was always the solution. It’s inevitable.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 6:50 am to High Tide 07
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It’s not to keep you from catching a virus. It’s to make it less severe if exposed to the virus which this vaccine does.
That might be the biggest goalposts shift ever invented.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 6:53 am to davyjones
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That 'tis the question of the day, of the week, of the month, of the year.
The question that immediately pops up for me is this: when these vaccines were developed they were conceived with the specific thought in mind of the "original covid-19". OG coronavirus. My limited understanding of vaccines has led me to believe that a vaccine is produced in connection with a rather specific strain of a virus. But the virus is bound to morph into a new, different variant of the OG virus. So the original vaccine was not produced with the thought in mind of the newer variants. Thus, essentially useless for protection against new variants.
Cliff Notes: the virus has outrun the vaccine. Vaccine is useless against any new variant(s).
A vaccine is the injection of a killed or attenuated (shortened, and therefore inactive) virus in an effort a to create an antibody response. In theory, when the live virus shows up after vaccination, the vaccinated can recreate the antibody response, quickly, and kill a the virus before it has a chance to do damage, or limit the damage.
What is being called a vaccine for C19 is not the injection of a killed or attenuated virus, this is why we are seeing the vaccinated get exposed and symptomatic.
To your question above, injecting a killed or attenuated virus causes MULTIPLE antibody types to be created that recognize and attack MULTIPLE epitopes (parts) of the virus. Also, getting and recovering from Covid does the same thing, so no one who has recovered really needs a ‘vaccine’.
When a virus mutates, only about 1% of the DNA/RNA or viral coat changes, with a true vaccine you should still retain high level of immunity because, while one antibody type may be ineffective, dozens/hundreds of others still are effective on the 99% that did not mutate. In theory, if the mutated virus mutates again, you are a little further away in your immune response.
As what is being called a vaccine really isn’t a killed or attenuated virus injected to form an antibody response, we are seeing all kinds of conflicting data incoming from all kinds of unknown and unknowable variables.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 7:14 am to OccamsStubble
This is bad. We are breeding variants with a vaccine that doesn’t completely stop the virus.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 8:32 am to High Tide 07
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You guys believe what your agenda wants you to believe. I on the other hand see it everyday so I don’t have an agenda. The fact is that our hospital is 95 percent unvaccinated. How many Covid patients have you guys taken care of?
You are at risk of making a judgement based on a small sample size
And I’ve taken care of two, they were fine.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 8:36 am to High Tide 07
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No unlike you I understand what a vaccine is intended to do. It’s not to keep you from catching a virus. It’s to make it less severe if exposed to the virus which this vaccine does.
If you believe this, then you believe the CDC made a catastrophic mistake by telling vaccinated people they could go on with their lives, correct?
Posted on 8/7/21 at 1:41 pm to OceanMan
No I believe this variant changed things. The problem is the CDC is acting like they know what’s going on which they don’t. This is a once in a 100 years pandemic with a brand new virus and the CDC acts like they know it all. We all know they don’t and that’s why confidence in CDC recommendations and guidelines is very low. Look I don’t care if any of y’all get the vaccine. This is America you’re free to choose. I don’t look down on anyone who refuses the vaccine. I’m just telling you 95 percent of people being hospitalized with severe Covid are unvaccinated.
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