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re: A&M vs LSU this week in baseball, just a reminder that LSU needs to hire Nolan Cain

Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:28 am to
Posted by nicholastiger
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:28 am to
the dropoff when Cannizaro left was notable
I tend to blame PM more then Cain as PM was delegating pretty much the whole operation
Cain was stretched thin as he had to do all the recruiting on top of his coaching responsibilities while Dunn had the pitching
They also had one less coach in those days
Posted by aruss15
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:32 am to
We don't need Cain, we need Jesus
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Member since May 2007
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:34 am to
quote:

I tend to blame PM more then Cain as PM was delegating pretty much the whole operation


Cain was an incredibly lazy hire. He was starting to come into his own. But at the time he was made recruiting coordinator, he had only been an Ops guy and a Volunteer. Neither of those roles include off campus recruiting or scouting.

He was allowed to learn on the job at LSU, which shouldn't be happening at the salaries we pay. And it was done at a time when the HC had essentially abdicated all off campus recruiting responsibilities.

Mainieri got out on the road earlier, that's how he met and built a relationship with Cannizaro, but by the time Cain came around Mainieri wasn't talking to recruits outside of his office. Similar to how Van Horn has been doing things for about a decade. And how Schlossnagle was doing things at TCU and probably how he's doing them at A&M.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 10:01 am to
quote:

This year's roster based on who they committed to:

Nolan Cain 20



20? Who are they, I count 6 but I am probably missing something.

These are the guys I think are his players

Will Hellmers
Javen Coleman
Josh Pearson
Samuel Dutton
Alex Milazzo
Hayden Travinski
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 10:20 am to
Alex Milazzo
Hayden Travinski
Javen Coleman
Will Hellmers
Josh Pearson
Sammy Dutton
Griffin Herring
Paxton Kling
Gavin Guidry
Jared Jones
Zeb Ruddell
Aiden Moffett
Ethan Frey
DJ Primeaux
Kade Anderson
Steven Milam
Brady Neal
Jake Brown
Ashton Larson
Trenton Lape

ETA: This is based on who the RC was when they committed to LSU. The 2024 class (next year's freshmen) is the first class that has no one that committed to the previous staff. The way the recruiting rules work now, we won't see the long time frames since guys can't really commit until just before their junior year.

I mean last year's championship team still had a Cannizaro recruit (Dugas).
This post was edited on 5/2/24 at 10:23 am
Posted by DBG
vermont
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 10:23 am to
Neal must have been like 12 when he committed lol
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
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70397 posts
Posted on 5/2/24 at 10:25 am to
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Neal must have been like 12 when he committed lol


He committed in September of 2019 in a flurry of activity that also included Jared Jones, Trenton Lape, Brennan Holt, and Ben Kudrna.
Posted by DBG
vermont
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 10:27 am to
So he was 14

He’s a young dude
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 10:31 am to
We have a handful of current commits that I think were even younger when they committed.

I'm really glad the rules changed.

Because now you're less likely to have guys like Wyatt Wiatrek, Gavin Chillot, Ty Federici, Thomas Wilhite, etc commit young and then fall off the face of the earth.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 11:52 am to
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This is based on who the RC was when they committed to LSU. The 2024 class (next year's freshmen) is the first class that has no one that committed to the previous staff.



OK, but from my perspective a commitment is not very relevant outside of maybe the first year after the guy leaves unless it is binding in some fashion (I don't know the particulars in baseball regarding LOIs and such). So I guess what I am thinking is it is hard to give Cain a lot of credit for these guys who didn't step foot onto LSU's campus until 1 full year after Cain and Mainieri were gone, Jay and his staff's second season.

quote:

Griffin Herring
Paxton Kling
Gavin Guidry
Jared Jones
Zeb Ruddell
Aiden Moffett
Ethan Frey
DJ Primeaux
Brady Neal



And it is even harder to give Cain any credit for guys who have only been at LSU for the current season, the third for this staff.,

quote:


Kade Anderson
Steven Milam
Jake Brown
Ashton Larson



Also, in my ignorance, I don't know who this is and he does not appear on the roster online.
quote:

Trenton Lape


But thanks for the insight, I appreciate what you offer here regarding the baseball team, I always like getting whatever info I can get.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
70397 posts
Posted on 5/2/24 at 12:00 pm to
quote:

it is hard to give Cain a lot of credit for these guys who didn't step foot onto LSU's campus until 1 full year after Cain and Mainieri were gone, Jay and his staff's second season.


I understand that. I started tracking the recruiting coordinator at the time of commitment a while back, before we changed head coaches, due to squabbles over which RC built better rosters under Mainieri.

I think it's handy to know who initiated the relationship with the player, but ultimately once they step on campus it's all up to the player and the coaching staff they're under.

ETA: Lape is an in state kid that is currently redshirting off the roster while he heals up from surgery.
This post was edited on 5/2/24 at 12:01 pm
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