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Brice Turang Related: Differences between H.S. players going pro vs going to school

Posted on 6/16/18 at 10:35 pm
Posted by tadelatt
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Posted on 6/16/18 at 10:35 pm
I did some research to see what the real data looked like and here it is...

1st Round Draft Picks Only (From 2008 to 2016)

Signed Out of High School: 197 (113 - Never Reached MLB)
Signed Out of College: 212 (75 - Never Reached MLB)

57.3% High School Signees - Failed to Reach the Pros
35.4% College Signees - Failed to Reach the Pros

64.6% of College Players Reach the MLB
42.7% of High School Players Reach the MLB

Average Time in Minors
High School Players: 4.1 Years
College Players: 2.5 Years
Posted by Skooter
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Posted on 6/16/18 at 10:41 pm to
So, you're more likely to make the majors sooner, but less likely to make it at all going straight out of high school.
Posted by Dizz
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Posted on 6/16/18 at 10:43 pm to
I would think that has more to do with teams missing on their projections. The real data needed is high school draftees that don’t sign and their percentage of being drafted higher and making it.
Posted by Ryan3232
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Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:03 pm to
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57.3% High School Signees - Failed to Reach the Pros
35.4% College Signees - Failed to Reach the Pros

64.6% of College Players Reach the MLB
42.7% of High School Players Reach the MLB
So by these statistics, 100% of players either dont make the MLB or make the MLB?
Posted by SkintBack
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Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:19 pm to
As opposed to what? What is the other option? Make it, dont make it, or ????
Posted by Ryan3232
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Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:20 pm to
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As opposed to what? What is the other option? Make it, dont make it, or ????

Why dont you answer that for me.. its an obvious answer. Think a little harder.
Posted by Tiger nation 929
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Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:31 pm to
lol it adds up to 107.3%. Gotta love good old math.
Posted by MOT
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Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:34 pm to
FYI...it’s not surprising that high school players take longer to reach the majors since they’re signed younger and are less developed. A better comparison would be between players who were in the same high school graduating class but took the different routes.

Nor is it surprising college players have a higher hit rate because they are older and more established. Teams have a better idea of what they’re drafting, the players have already faced a higher level of competition. Many highly rated 18 year old prospects are going to flame out. If these future flame outs are signed out of high school their flame out counts against your high shool number. But those who go to college and flame out aren’t selected high and do not hurt your college numbers.

Basically you need to dig deeper.
This post was edited on 6/16/18 at 11:49 pm
Posted by Ryan3232
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Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:43 pm to
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lol it adds up to 107.3%
Thats a solid radio station in southern florida.
This post was edited on 6/16/18 at 11:45 pm
Posted by TriDitty
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Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:45 pm to
That's to be expected... kids drafted out of college have been scouted playing against much better competition and have grown into their bodies.
Posted by Mahootney
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Posted on 6/17/18 at 7:35 am to
College particants adds to 100%.
High school percentage adds to 100%.
There are two different groups.

I guess he could break it down to 4 parts of all the players to make it easier for you to understand.
This post was edited on 6/17/18 at 7:37 am
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 6/17/18 at 7:38 am to
All this about high school and college players and you know there’s already a 16-year-old Dominican in the twins organization that’s better than all the others.
Posted by Mahootney
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Posted on 6/17/18 at 7:44 am to
Don't let the idiots bring you down. This was some good work.

The only other variable that would be valuable to know, but would be difficult to compile, is how much money each group got.

I assume the group that signs out of high school got big enough signing bonuses to forego college.
And it's hard to know where the college kids got drafted later on, how much they signed for, and how long they actually stay/make in the majors.
Posted by GetBackToWork
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Posted on 6/17/18 at 7:48 am to
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All this about high school and college players and you know there’s already a 16-year-old Dominican in the twins organization that’s better than all the others.




I bet that kid has quite the collection of World champion belts and rings from towns all over the Caribbean
Posted by Erin Go Bragh
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Posted on 6/17/18 at 7:57 am to
If you're playing college baseball in one of the top-notch conferences you're probably seeing pitching just as tough as you would see in a rookie league. It won't be as consistently tough as a rookie league but you will face some future first rounders. Facing those guys will either make you better or expose you.

GM's like high school players for their youth and college players because of the additional time they have to gauge their progress and potential.

Posted by dome53
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/17/18 at 8:23 am to
Do the lower level minor league teams ever make a profit? Looking at this data you would think it would be in the MLB's interest to stop drafting high schoolers, let colleges develop players, and scrap all but your AAA and maybe AA teams.
Posted by Erin Go Bragh
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Posted on 6/17/18 at 8:38 am to
I think if they could, MLB Gm's would draft the rights to a kid out of high school and send him to play college ball for three years rather than endure the costs of maintaining lower level leagues.



Baseball is a hard sport to evaluate potential. It's a lot different than basketball and probably the chief reason MLB won't draft a player in college until after their junior year and the NBA taps them after one season.

College baseball, in the end, benefits MLB teams.
Posted by HueyP
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Posted on 6/17/18 at 8:48 am to
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Do the lower level minor league teams ever make a profit? Looking at this data you would think it would be in the MLB's interest to stop drafting high schoolers, let colleges develop players, and scrap all but your AAA and maybe AA teams.


This has always mystified me. I don’t see why MLB wants to support so many minor league teams at their expense. MLB also has developmental leagues and campuses all over South America to support. They spend nothing on NCAA baseball. NCAA players are already weeded out to some extent and are a much more polished product.
Minor league baseball seems like such a difficult environment to throw high school kids into.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:08 am to
Interesting stuff. The only comment is on the mlney.

Living expenses and tuition for college have to come from somewhere.it isn’t free. The parents are paying for it or they are taking loans. If people think these guys have to pay for so much more in tr minors, start deducting the cost of college when the coach only has 11.7 schollies to give out to 27 kids.
Secondly, if a player signs for 3.5 out of high school and invests 1MM of it, he would easily make 8-10% on return. So as that money grows those extra 2-3 years while he is in the minors, that has to be added to the total of his salary difference between him and a college player.
If you break down the Jucos from 4 year college and average time,it would help because you would know how long they were in school while the high schools kid’s money was growing.

If I’m signing first round money coming out of high school as I would college, it’s a no brainer to go to the pros.
Posted by HueyP
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Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:11 am to
Nice work thanks. I’ve always wonder about this.
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