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LHSAA’s definition of “Select” taken to court - playoff picture blurry
Posted on 8/21/23 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 8/21/23 at 10:46 pm
Eddie Bonnie’s definition changed the playoff landscape last year. Nine schools claim the change caused “irreparable harm” and have asked the court for an injunction to prevent the LHSAA from continuing to use the amended definition. A temporary injunction was granted today putting a pause on how playoffs will be determined this season.
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Posted on 8/21/23 at 10:50 pm to BayouNation
So, will the rich, white Christian private schools still be able to win a trophy with daddy’s money and 4x4?
Posted on 8/21/23 at 11:27 pm to KillTheGophers
They won before the changes and after the changes. I’m guessing they’ll still win.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 12:10 am to KillTheGophers
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So, will the rich, white Christian private schools still be able to win a trophy with daddy’s money and 4x4?
Public schools said those "white Christian private schools" were cheating by legally recruiting players to attend their schools. Schools on both sides of the aisle want in or out of this playoff structure based on their own resources and talent pools.
This post was edited on 8/22/23 at 12:11 am
Posted on 8/22/23 at 4:37 am to BayouNation
My issue with what they did last year was having so many teams play the regular season schedule of one classification and then the playoff structure of another. From the local 4A District:
South Terrebonne: D1 NonSelect
South Lafourche: D1 NonSelect
Lutcher: D2 NonSelect
Assumption: D2 NonSelect
Vandebilt Catholic: D2 Select
Ellender: D2 NonSelect
Morgan City: D2 NonSelect
One District in 3 brackets. Remember this change happened as the season was going on and for winter and spring sports after schedules were already made.
The first 2 schools listed missed the playoffs altogether in some sports where they would have hosted home playoff games/series if they were in the 4A bracket they are classified in. Both schools are well under 1,000 students post-Ida.
South Terrebonne: D1 NonSelect
South Lafourche: D1 NonSelect
Lutcher: D2 NonSelect
Assumption: D2 NonSelect
Vandebilt Catholic: D2 Select
Ellender: D2 NonSelect
Morgan City: D2 NonSelect
One District in 3 brackets. Remember this change happened as the season was going on and for winter and spring sports after schedules were already made.
The first 2 schools listed missed the playoffs altogether in some sports where they would have hosted home playoff games/series if they were in the 4A bracket they are classified in. Both schools are well under 1,000 students post-Ida.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 5:06 am to Tarpon08
You mean Zachary cheaters
Posted on 8/22/23 at 5:38 am to BayouNation
Why the frick does Catholic High not have a "district", but other privates do?
Live in Denham and want to play sports for Parkview? You are ineligible for a year.
Want to play for Catholic? No problem. You are eligible immediately.
Absolutely ridiculous.
Seems discriminatory to decide eligibility based on religion....
Live in Denham and want to play sports for Parkview? You are ineligible for a year.
Want to play for Catholic? No problem. You are eligible immediately.
Absolutely ridiculous.
Seems discriminatory to decide eligibility based on religion....
Posted on 8/22/23 at 5:48 am to blueboxer1119
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Why the frick does Catholic High not have a "district", but other privates do?
Catholic absolutely has an attendance zone. It’s McKinley’s zone. Not sure what you are talking about.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 5:54 am to Antonio Moss
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Catholic absolutely has an attendance zone. It’s McKinley’s zone. Not sure what you are talking about.
Wrong.
Then explain how a kid from Gonzales is eligible to play varsity sports day 1 at Catholic.
Kid from Gonzales is not eligible at Parkview.
This post was edited on 8/22/23 at 5:56 am
Posted on 8/22/23 at 5:59 am to blueboxer1119
More details needed. What grade? Where did the kid go to 8th grade (new caveat there this year)?
Posted on 8/22/23 at 6:02 am to Tarpon08
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teams play the regular season schedule of one classification and then the playoff structure of another.
The regular season and playoffs are two different things (and btw, no one gets rings for a great regular season)
And then let’s say you’re in a smaller district. For your non district games you have an incentive to play up by getting extra power points. Logically you have an incentive to play down because you don’t lose points by doing so. It’s hard to call it a “4A” regular season when in all the other games you can play all class 5A or class 2A schools. You play your 10 games and then we go to the power ratings… some want to eliminate districts
And these teams like Neville talk about playing in the 5A bracket as a 4A, well there are teams who play in the 1A bracket as a 2A. (I don’t see them trying to change things) It evens out across the whole LHSAA.
This post was edited on 8/22/23 at 6:04 am
Posted on 8/22/23 at 6:30 am to blueboxer1119
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Wrong
I can assure you, I am not.
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Then explain how a kid from Gonzales is eligible to play varsity sports day 1 at Catholic.
Did he go to St. Theresa? In the past, there was the Same School System exception to residential eligibility. If a kid matriculates from a feeder school within the same school system, then they are granted full eligibility. That rule applied to all schools, though, not just Catholic schools. But that exception was removed last January.
So under that exception, a kid from Gonzales that went to a Catholic elementary school under the Diocese of Baton Rouge could matriculate to CHS/SJA/St. Michael and get full eligibility.
But, as I said, that exception no longer applies.
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Kid from Gonzales is not eligible at Parkview.
And won’t be at Catholic, either.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 6:57 am to Antonio Moss
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If a kid matriculates from a feeder school within the same school system, then they are granted full eligibility. That rule applied to all schools, though, not just Catholic schools.
Feeder schools for Catholic are in the diocese. All schools in the huge diocese. Even in neighboring parishes.
What is a feeder school from Parkview that would make a 9th grader out of district eligible, like at Catholic?
This post was edited on 8/22/23 at 6:59 am
Posted on 8/22/23 at 7:02 am to blueboxer1119
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What is a feeder school from Parkview that would make a 9th grader out of district eligible, like at Catholic?
The 100s of kids that go to Parkview in K-8.
Do you think a 9th grader at Parkview should have to sit a year if he lives out the attendance zone but went to Parkview in 8th grade?
Posted on 8/22/23 at 7:06 am to Antonio Moss
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The 100s of kids that go to Parkview in K-8.
Do you think a 9th grader at Parkview should have to sit a year if he lives out the attendance zone but went to Parkview in 8th grade?
So no kid that lives outside the Parkview (and did not previously attend Parkview) district can start Parkview in 9th grade and be eligible....like they are at Catholic because the "diocese" covers multiple parishes.
What are other "feeder" schools can a kid attend that makes him eligible to compete in varsity as a freshman at Parkview?
You know, like at Catholic.
The answer is zero.
This post was edited on 8/22/23 at 7:12 am
Posted on 8/22/23 at 7:13 am to blueboxer1119
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So no kid that lives outside the Parkview (and did not previously attend Parkview) district can start Parkview in 9th grade and be eligible....like they are at Catholic because the "diocese" covers multiple parishes.
So the goal post shifts again. Most 9th graders at Parkview who live outside Parkview’s attendance zone are fully eligible because they naturally matriculate into Parkview’s ninth grade from eighth grade.
And why are you singling out Catholic? This rule applied to every school. BRHS’s ninth graders that live out of zone were fully eligible if the matriculated from any EBR middle school because it was the “same system.” Same goes for Woodlawn, etc.
Same goes for every school in Lafayette Parish, Caddo Parish, Orleans Parish, etc.
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What are other "feeder" schools a kid can attend that makes him eligible to compete in varsity as a freshman at Parkview?
That’s because Parkview does not have a feeder system outside of their single school. But they are the exception, not the rule.
The vast majority of LHSAA high schools have an established feeder system.
And, like I said earlier, that exception was removed last year, although there is some question as to how the LHSAA is now going to handle these kids.
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You know, like at Catholic.
The answer is zero.
That is neither a Catholic or LHSAA issue. Again, Parkview is the minority in the sense that they don’t have feeder schools other than their K-8 (which is a feeder school).
Posted on 8/22/23 at 7:28 am to blueboxer1119
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eligible to compete in varsity as a freshman at Parkview?
Slow down. Let your kid be a kid. Nothing wrong with developing in JV ball. There is no horror in “only” having 3 years to compete in varsity sports. If your kid went to a 5A school they wouldn’t be good enough to compete with the varsity anyway.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 7:39 am to blueboxer1119
quote:You are 100% wrong
Why the frick does Catholic High not have a "district", but other privates do? Live in Denham and want to play sports for Parkview? You are ineligible for a year. Want to play for Catholic? No problem. You are eligible immediately.
I couldn’t play varsity my freshman year at Catholic because I wasn’t in district, and I lived in riverbend and went to St. Aloysius k-8. There was no Catholic feeder school bs. You lived in the district or you weren’t eligible your first year. Period
This post was edited on 8/22/23 at 7:42 am
Posted on 8/22/23 at 7:40 am to Antonio Moss
Everybody (schools/principals/coaches/etc) pointing out all the “advantages” other schools have and ignoring their own and the disadvantages of others is how we got here in the first place.
There are so many types of schools among a relatively small number in the state - you will never have everybody “playing by the same rules”.
Put it back together and let’s play ball.
Punish offenders of every type.
Related question: how many schools in this state do you think have 100% of their students from their attendance zone? I believe it is a very small number.
There are so many types of schools among a relatively small number in the state - you will never have everybody “playing by the same rules”.
Put it back together and let’s play ball.
Punish offenders of every type.
Related question: how many schools in this state do you think have 100% of their students from their attendance zone? I believe it is a very small number.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 7:49 am to Antonio Moss
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I can assure you, I am not.
Like you would know
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