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Texas lowers trout limits to 3……

Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:54 pm
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:54 pm
Outside of trophy fishing, what is the point? Are there no anglers over there that fish to eat or are they that outnumbered by saltwater bass fisherman? To my knowledge the trout in Texas aren’t endangered.
Went fishing with a guide in Louisiana a few weeks ago and he was telling me the push for the limit changes here (particularly redfish) are being pushed by fly fishing guides out of Florida that guide in Louisiana part of the year.
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10495 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 3:05 pm to
Lower coast got hammered in the freeze back in ‘21. Otherwise I don’t really know the reason for these new regs other than TP&W doing what they do best and that’s stupid shite. However, my fricks given are practically zero since I go to Big Lake to catch trout. I quit fishing the madhouse around Houston a long time ago.
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
16622 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 3:19 pm to
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To my knowledge the trout in Texas aren’t endangered.


They get hit pretty hard with freezes. Their bay systems aren't that deep. They also are way more conservation oriented than LA ever will be.

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Went fishing with a guide in Louisiana a few weeks ago and he was telling me the push for the limit changes here (particularly redfish) are being pushed by fly fishing guides out of Florida that guide in Louisiana part of the year.


LA guides are/were pushing it hard too. Mostly fly fishing driven and almost all of those guys are catch & release.
This post was edited on 1/25/24 at 3:21 pm
Posted by Bayou_Tiger_225
Third Earth
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 3:36 pm to
The guides in Texas drove the limit change. I don’t quite understand why though. They charge a lot of damn money to now only come back with 3 fish per person.

In LA, if they want to do something to help the redfish, they should start with making bow fishing for redfish illegal
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10495 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 3:48 pm to
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They charge a lot of damn money to now only come back with 3 fish per person.



Yeah, F that. I don't get it.
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
16622 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 3:48 pm to
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. They charge a lot of damn money to now only come back with 3 fish per person.


Texas guides are pursuing trophy quality trout. They aren't sitting in a marsh cut with a popping cork. People are paying the money to fish for a 30" not a box of 12"
This post was edited on 1/25/24 at 3:53 pm
Posted by Geaux23
Member since Sep 2012
5817 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 3:58 pm to
What was the limit? 10 I thought?
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
28376 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 4:01 pm to
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Texas guides are pursuing trophy quality trout. They aren't sitting in a marsh cut with a popping cork. People are paying the money to fish for a 30" not a box of 12"


To each their own, that doesn’t do it for me. I wanna catch fish, otherwise I’d fish freshwater.
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 4:01 pm to
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What was the limit? 10 I thought?


I think 5
Posted by Bayou_Tiger_225
Third Earth
Member since Mar 2016
10865 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 4:06 pm to
I mean I understand what they want.

Those guides want people to come down and wade fish for trophies. And it makes sense. They fish for a living. Catching small trout is boring to them. They would rather catch one 6 pound trout than 40 14 inch trout.

But that’s a kick in the nuts for the casual fishermen. 5 was already lean. I know the ‘21 freeze was a killer but outside of that Texas absolutely has the ability to handle larger limits that 3 or 5.
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
16622 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 4:14 pm to
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But that’s a kick in the nuts for the casual fishermen


Yeah I could see that. There's an ever increasing number of anglers and those bays are only so big. They have to keep kill numbers in check somehow to sustain a healthy stock.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19648 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 4:22 pm to
Seems they are catering to the commercial interests just like LA politicians catering to Pogey crew.

Common fisherman on the losing end.
This post was edited on 1/25/24 at 4:22 pm
Posted by TopWaterTiger
Lake Charles, LA
Member since May 2006
10258 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 4:30 pm to
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Lower coast got hammered in the freeze back in ‘21. Otherwise I don’t really know the reason for these new regs other than TP&W doing what they do best and that’s stupid shite. However, my fricks given are practically zero since I go to Big Lake to catch trout. I quit fishing the madhouse around Houston a long time ago.


this...big freeze hit them hard. Unlike LA, TX actually looks at their data and decided to lower the limit. In LA, the data has been supporting lower trout limits for over 15 years, but LA is still "studying it".

Houston is the 4th largest city in the US. If just 1% of that population wants to go saltwater fishing, it puts a hurt on the resource. The Houston clientele keeps lots of the charter boats in Big Lake in business.

Anyway, back to the point, fisheries management should entail changing limits ever few years as to what their data shows. TX does this. They lower and raise it when they deem necessary. I don't understand why LA is so intent on trying to keep it the way its always been argument.
Posted by LakeviewYakker
NOLA
Member since Aug 2014
362 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 4:30 pm to
Their argument doesn't really make sense. To an extent the environment is going to support a certain load of fish. It could be a ton of small fish or a few large fish.
I'm thinking about this in terms of a farm pond. If bass aren't removed from the pond eventually there will be a ton of small starving bass. If you want decent sized fish in the pond you have to keep removing the smaller ones so the medium sized ones can eat to get bigger.
I realize the Texas gulf coast is a much bigger environment than a farm pond, but some of that logic seems like it would still apply. There is only so much baitfish and shrimp to go around, all those 12" trout aren't going to grow up to 30" trout and there isn't enough baitfish and shrimp to support millions of trophy trout.
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10495 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 4:34 pm to
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But that’s a kick in the nuts for the casual fishermen. 5 was already lean. I know the ‘21 freeze was a killer but outside of that Texas absolutely has the ability to handle larger limits that 3 or 5.



I think the point is to get less fishing traffic and cull the guides. About the only place I fish in Texas anymore is down in the Corpus area when we go down to Port A. It is overrun with guides so I can how a vocal majority of guides would want to cull the herd. As for the casual fisherman, who would want to spend that kind of money for 3 fish and maybe a Red? Better off going to Captain D's for a fish basket. Plus, I am sure the guides that specialize in trophy trout down in Baffin and the LM will not care anyway, it was already 5 and they still got traffic. But the kicker is you can also keep 1 fish over 30" which is about like seeing a unicorn or Haley's Comet or the mythical OT10, together. If I did spend the money for a guide, I would keep that guide on the water after I had my 3 just to catch a fish of that caliber just so I could get my moneys worth.
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
28376 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 4:46 pm to
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I don't understand why LA is so intent on trying to keep it the way its always been argument.


Because the resource never had an issue…some areas declined bc of low salinity and that’s about it.
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
16622 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 4:52 pm to
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If bass aren't removed from the pond eventually there will be a ton of small starving bass. If you want decent sized fish in the pond you have to keep removing the smaller ones so the medium sized ones can eat to get bigger.


Increasing amount of anglers and fish take every single year. They are spreading out the take. Instead of every line taking 5 fish a day they are taking 3.

As you said. These bays aka ponds/lakes can only sustain a certain amount of fish. If you don't reduce take per person then there is an increasing deduction in overall stock year over year. How long does it draw down to where it can't maintain a reasonable level?
Posted by KemoSabe65
70605
Member since Mar 2018
5233 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 5:25 pm to
Did he name them because he should know who they are. Outside guides licensed in La are few and they have ZERO clout on Quail Dr. Texas reducing their limits on trout will drive more Texans to big lake and while it will keep me busy it’s not good for the resource.
This may be a stupid analogy but just before my go cart ran out of gas it would run faster. Same thing is happening to our fishing, we are running out of gas and many think they found another gear.
Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
8489 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 5:40 pm to
I am in Galveston, fish West Galveston Bay 200 times a year and I have no issues with it. I trout fish a few times a year in La and the Gulf Shores area. Obviously this is only anecdotal, but I am typically catching 18-20" trout here, 12-15" trout in La, and 15-20" trout on the AL/FL coast.

When the upper coast of Texas lowered it from 10 to 5 fish per day a few years ago, the size of the average caught fish increased for me. Hopefully we will see this happen again with the lower limit. It is also worth noting, min size here is 15".

Also, I find Texas has a much larger catch and release community. Again, like anything, this is purely anecdotal and I am nowhere near a typical fisherman for this area (exclusively throwing long casts with a topwater on shallow flats, which obviously affects the size/number of fish I catch)
Posted by Bayou_Tiger_225
Third Earth
Member since Mar 2016
10865 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 5:56 pm to
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If I did spend the money for a guide, I would keep that guide on the water after I had my 3 just to catch a fish of that caliber just so I could get my moneys worth.
And I’d have no problem with that. But you know at least half those guides will get you those 3 and then call the trip
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