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Simple home networking for beginner

Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:31 am
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
1778 posts
Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:31 am
I have Ethernet run to some remote spots that I want to add access points and would like to start making small steps to a more comprehensive internet connectivity throughout the house, backyard, and detached structures (wired already).

My internet is ATTs 5G with their “All-Fi” CGW450 gateway. I’m currently using a single POE switch to get internet to a detached garage with an Omada wall mount AP. I use the same wifi name and password for it as the ISP gateway. It seems to require resetting once a week, which has been a pain. I can only tell it’s not working when some of the devices in the garage seem to have lost connectivity.

I’d like a setup that’s reliable, tunable for good handover and access, and easy to troubleshoot, with a couple more additional APs, in addition to the troublesome one in the garage. Is troubleshooting, tuning accomplished with the controller apps that TP Link and others offer? Can I do what I want with a TP Link router, gateway in pass thru, a large enough switch, and compatible APs?
This post was edited on 5/2/24 at 9:34 am
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
14965 posts
Posted on 5/2/24 at 10:56 am to
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My internet is ATTs 5G with their “All-Fi” CGW450 gateway



I read lots of problems with specific ATT gateways and pass through setup. I’ve never personally had a problem, but I’ve never had this l gateway specifically. So it may be worth googling (and I hate to mention the site, but Reddit is actually usually one of the more useful places to pull up old threads with specific problems you’ll probably encounter).


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Is troubleshooting, tuning accomplished with the controller apps that TP Link and others offer? Can I do what I want with a TP Link router, gateway in pass thru, a large enough switch, and compatible APs?


I did read the whole thing, but this seems to be the question/point worth addressing.


There are pretty much two options for ceiling/wall mount PoE, decent-looking home networking gear- TP-Link’s Omada and Ubiquiti Unifi. Are there actually others? Yes.

I have had, at one time or another just about every combination of unifi AP with:
- Unifi hardware controller vs software controller
- Unifi gateway vs 3rd party gateway
- unmanaged 3rd party switch vs managed Unifi switch (throwing it out there. People who call every Unifi switch overpriced don’t know the utility of the 5-port PoE-PD Flex Mini at $30. The rest are indeed not particularly fantastic value, and there’s a lot to be said about the oddly limited way they can subnet/VLAN (specifically by port and not by MAC despite offering the latter on their non-Unifi hardware), but they certainly aren’t bad and certainly CAN be useful)

They’re extremely stable. I had to power cycle everything this week during a weird power outage (power flickered. About half the hardwired devices power cycled). My USG was on, the light was blue. But when I looked in the controller, I had no WAN configured and the controller didn’t see the USG. I had to power cycle the Unifi Gateway before everything came back on. It was somewhat unusual (the blue light basically indicates, “all good, I’m adopted and working”). Almost no other time have I needed to troubleshoot anything other than new/changing configurations (static IP got changed by ISP without notifying me at one point, the first time I created VLANs and played with traffic isolation vs allowing specific stuff to cross, site to site VPN and traffic filtering. Things like handoff? No problem).

I have limited experience with the Omada stuff
I have posted about it before, but the short:
Father in law buys house they had Omada APs and 4-port PoE switch. I bought their gateway but not their controller. I could not make handoff and shared SSID function with internet access. I took that stuff out, put in Unifi stuff because I’m lazy and wanted to be able to troubleshoot from one app across multiple sites, and it works great.
I explained that I didn’t buy the controller to my buddy, gave him the Omada hardware, he bought their hardware controller, and it has worked like no problem. I believe he has bought Omada gear in 2-3 more setups.


So, I think they are both good. I know that partial Unifi stuff plays very nice with 3rd party gear in the chain. I personally struggled with getting Omada configured when not using their hardware controller (I had the software one, neither with the computer or phone could I get it to function). Buddy had same struggle as I understand it that was solved with buying the right piece.



If I were you, I’d change the SSID on one of your networks. If the problem goes away, you’re already partially in on Omada gear. I remember it being slightly cheaper. I would just build the stack from there. If the problem doesn’t go away, I didn’t have luck with Omada and spent a few hours changing configurations and reading but just couldn’t make it work without all the pieces. There’s a good chance I’m wrong. My buddy doesn’t post here but still recommends Omada (with all the pieces rather than just APs with a network controller on an unmanaged PoE switch, though admittedly that piece was already in place so it’s more about the gateway + controller more than likely, but we never attempted it without their switch to confirm and have no real need/desire to).



Experience from me is limited, but that’s what I can share.
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
1778 posts
Posted on 5/3/24 at 7:34 am to
Thanks. So, assuming my gateway can work in pass-thru mode, I’ll need a router, the controller, switch, and APs, is that right? I’ve struggled a little to understand Ubiquiti’s product lineup. Is the shopping list the same if I go that direction?
This post was edited on 5/3/24 at 7:35 am
Posted by mchias1
Member since Dec 2009
808 posts
Posted on 5/3/24 at 7:57 am to
One thing to note about Unifi and TPlink. TPlink's Omada is a single setup point like Ubiquiti's, however with TPlink all their devices can be set up absent of the Omada controller. Ubiquiti you are required to have a controller on the network.

I've personally switched to TPlink instead of ubiquiti because I did not like running the.controller and had issues with the pairing on Ubiquiti. The TPlink devices have a bit of a learning curve to understand, but its not too bad if you want to build your knowledge up over time.
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
1778 posts
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:09 am to
Thanks for that. What are you giving up by not using a controller? That’s one area of this subject I haven’t been able to digest.
Posted by LSshoe
Burrowing through a pile o MikePoop
Member since Jan 2008
4018 posts
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:33 am to
You technically can set up ubiquiti APs without a dedicated controller. It requires essentially running the controller software on your computer. But doesn't have to be kept online
Posted by mchias1
Member since Dec 2009
808 posts
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:41 am to
You lose ease of setup. The controllers allow for a bit simpler vlan configs on your devices. If you are not planning to run vlans you don't gain anything.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28710 posts
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:44 am to
The "controller" is just the software that configures and manages the network. For a basic home router, you don't really need a controller... you can set up and manage the network completely via its web UI. When you get into multiple devices, it becomes very handy to manage everything via one cohesive UI rather than configuring each device individually.

As mentioned above, you can manage TP-Link devices without a controller, but you can do the same with Ubiquiti. It's just a pain, and it's better to have a controller.

Ubiquiti has always offered standalone controller software which you can install on any machine (TP-Link offers the same), but more recently Ubiquiti has gone to more of a plug-and-play setup where the router/gateway runs the controller software. They call it UniFi Network, so any gateway that says it runs Network will serve as your controller. The Dream Machines, the Dream Router, UniFi Express, and Cloud Gateway Ultra all run Network.
Posted by LSshoe
Burrowing through a pile o MikePoop
Member since Jan 2008
4018 posts
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:58 pm to
Didn't know about that but it makes sense for it to at least be an optional feature
Posted by TigerB8
End Communism
Member since Oct 2003
9340 posts
Posted on 5/7/24 at 8:44 pm to
I have ubiquiti in my house. UI runs on laptop and I can see all UBI devices and manage. Once I have a higher end UBI router in place like the Dream machine, it can be ran from internet/anywhere. Access points are plug and play mesh and firmware updates are easy to manage.
This post was edited on 5/8/24 at 8:20 am
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
18246 posts
Posted on 5/7/24 at 9:24 pm to
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TPlink's Omada


I just upgraded to two 670's, would highly recommend to others as well
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