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re: The Scientific Establishment Is Finally Starting To Take Intelligent Design Seriously

Posted on 5/19/22 at 10:21 am to
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 5/19/22 at 10:21 am to
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I've read a ton on this and watched as many debates as I could find, and 99% of the time it becomes a philosophical issue, not a scientific issue. You're either willing to consider a creative agent or you're not. If you're not, especially when it comes to abiogenesis, you just hand-wave and say "billions of years" and there is no evidence that will put a dent in that.


I generally agree with you here.

On the flip side, one needs to resort to special pleading when asked the question, "If everything needs a creator, what created it?" We then get, "Nothing, the creator always was," which is just a differing form of hand waving.

Alrgihty...back to mowing the lawn.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
21987 posts
Posted on 5/19/22 at 10:26 am to
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We then get, "Nothing, the creator always was," which is just a differing form of hand waving.


It also happens to be a pretty standard definition of God, or at least the God of Abraham. And it has been since the beginning of the Abrahamic religions, not just as a recent definition formed to answer a difficult philosophical question.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
80200 posts
Posted on 5/19/22 at 10:55 am to
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I generally agree with you here.

On the flip side, one needs to resort to special pleading when asked the question, "If everything needs a creator, what created it?" We then get, "Nothing, the creator always was," which is just a differing form of hand waving.

Alrgihty...back to mowing the lawn.




We just have to accept that human intelligence is limited. There are things we just weren't meant to comprehend, nor are we capable of doing so.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124343 posts
Posted on 5/19/22 at 2:24 pm to
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always was," which is just a differing form of hand waving
Yet atheist or otherwise, and whether by singularity or sentient source, infinite existence remains the conundrum.
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