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re: Play with Morgan at 3rd/TF in 6th inning.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:21 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:21 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
quote:as a coach you never shortened a runner's lead and abbreviated his secondary because of a potential situation(s) to protect a runner?
a single coach in history has shortened a runner's lead
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 10:28 am
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:24 am to Contrary
I was dissappointed in the slide attempt! I cant see going in there any other way but head first off the backside of the plate with my left hand out.
If you get tagged out going in that way at least you know you gave it your all.
If you get tagged out going in that way at least you know you gave it your all.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:27 am to tigerfoot
quote:and your out 10/10 times unless someone drops the ball. According to your decision your gonna get doubled up also on a hard hit ball right back to the pitcher or 1st baseman for ex. Morgan is breaking on contact. Your reasoning isnt correct fundamental baseball. Its gambling with the game on the line when you dont need too.
send Morgan 10 out of 10 times. A slightly bettter slide or a non miracle blind
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 10:30 am
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:28 am to Contrary
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as a coach you meber shortened a runners lead and abbreviated his secondary because of a situation to protect a runner?
Because of what the hitter was going to do? frick no, you are just as likely to run into an out at the next base as you are to save a runner.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:28 am to Contrary
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that's why he should have been on a short primary and small secondary on pitch as per coach's instructions(what the 3rd base coach should have done immediately was get Morgan straight on what can or cant happen). You have to see ball thru infield first. This was a coaching(the 3rd base coach literally told him nothing)failure in Morgans' part. Ask any coach.
All this blabbering and he STILL would have been out or at the very least, in a rundown had he froze.. the ball took the third baseman right to the bag. Tre played it right
If you want to blame anyone, blame the batter on deck who should have been directing Tre’s slide at home. I don’t think he was expecting a throw at all
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:28 am to Contrary
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and your out 10/10 times unless someone drops the ball.
This isn’t even remotely correct. With a hard hit ball in the worst possible spot it was a fingernail away from being safe.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:29 am to Contrary
quote:SOmeone did not pay attention to the sequence of events. It is ok. You were rampaging around the site like a teen girl
and your out 10/10 times
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:32 am to civiltiger07
Problem is we were having difficulty even making contact.
Jay probably did not want to watch someone strike out for the second out and never have the opportunity to advance Tre.
They were playing to win and making the other team make a play.
Tre was one of 2 players with 2 hits. Hard to blame him, at least he got on base.
Jay probably did not want to watch someone strike out for the second out and never have the opportunity to advance Tre.
They were playing to win and making the other team make a play.
Tre was one of 2 players with 2 hits. Hard to blame him, at least he got on base.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:33 am to tigerfoot
Situations like this always lead to people showing their arse
These ‘experts’ don’t know shite
These ‘experts’ don’t know shite
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:35 am to Contrary
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i thought the same thing but Morgan no matter what ,still has rules period. If he follows them from the coach who should of just told him, he is standing on 3rd base with 2 more at bats. Period.
Or you are on here losing your mind when Morgan is tagged out at third because the path of the ball took the 3rd baseman directly to the bag.
I don't agree with every strategic decision Johnson makes, but it is really hard to argue with his strategy in that situation. Late in a 2-2 ball game where scoring chances have been very few and far between. A straight left-handed pull hitter who the odds, spray-chart, analytics, etc show has a very low chance of hitting a groundball right to 3rd base. Best case scenario Beloso gets a hit and the discussion is academic. More likely scenario is he hits something on the ground at the 2nd baseman/1st base hole or the 2nd baseman/2nd base hole. Runner on third has enough of a lead to give him a great shot at scoring on that play. Unfortunately, the improbable happened
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:38 am to TheRouxGuru
Here is my question. All you guys who agreed with the call ask yourself this
If you have a runner on 2nd base, not forced, are you gonna take 3rd if a ground ball is.hit.to short or 3rd base? If you say NO then you you would do the same at 3rd. You cant advance becauee youll get thrown and tagged out, "just like Morgan did" ...if you say yes then im done debating this. Many of you who agree with the call would.advance to 3rd in above situation also and get thrown out
If you have a runner on 2nd base, not forced, are you gonna take 3rd if a ground ball is.hit.to short or 3rd base? If you say NO then you you would do the same at 3rd. You cant advance becauee youll get thrown and tagged out, "just like Morgan did" ...if you say yes then im done debating this. Many of you who agree with the call would.advance to 3rd in above situation also and get thrown out
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:39 am to Contrary
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If you have a runner on 2nd base, not forced, are you gonna take 3rd if a ground ball is.hit.to short or 3rd base? If you say NO then you you would do the same at 3rd. You cant advance becauee youll get thrown and tagged out, "just like Morgan did" ...if you say yes then im done debating this. Many of you who agree with the call would.advance to 3rd in above situation also and get thrown out
These are two completely different situations.
Good Lord you’re dumb.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:41 am to Contrary
quote:
f you have a runner on 2nd base, not forced, are you gonna take 3rd if a ground ball is.hit.to short or 3rd base? If you say NO then you you would do the same at 3rd. You cant advance becauee youll get thrown and tagged out, "just like Morgan did" ...if you say yes then im done debating this. Many of you who agree with the call would.advance to 3rd in above situation also and get thrown out
Completely different situation. So different as to be laughable. You really are trying too hard
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:43 am to civiltiger07
Did any of you watch the play? If so watch the view from behind the plate. The third baseman makes the catch in front of the bag. If Morgan goes back he is tagged out.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:50 am to Contrary
Two things....
The ball Cade hit was placed exactly where Wake needed it. Almost anywhere else on the field, Tre either scores or retreats safely back to the bag. Wake got exactly what they needed in that situation.
Secondly, that's baseball.
The ball Cade hit was placed exactly where Wake needed it. Almost anywhere else on the field, Tre either scores or retreats safely back to the bag. Wake got exactly what they needed in that situation.
Secondly, that's baseball.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:56 am to Chicken
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Tre is out no matter what he does unless he was on the bag or just a few feet off the bag on the hit. The ball took the fielder right to third base.
He could have gotten in a run down and allowed runners to get to 2nd and 3rd, but the fact is that he was almost safe at home...
This all day. That ball was in the worst spot possible for him. You hold on ground balls with no outs, but the ball was right at the bag and beat him there. He'd have been caught in a run down best case scenario. Which is really the best play in hindsight, but we can only say that knowing the result. It was a bang-bang play to throw judgement around as if that was obvious. The other thing that pissed me off is everyone yelling that he should have taken off right away and his hesitation caused the out. Again, hindsight....it was a play where he should have held up if the ball was anywhere other than where it went. IF that ball is the right of the third baseman he should be able to safely get back to the bag. So I get him taking a millisecond to evaluate if that's an option. Then there's his slide....man that was an amazing throw-catch-tag combo in the moment. I don't know how you expect someone to avoid a tag from a ball that short hopped under their body from a throw coming from behind them......:smh:
It was unfortunate. Are there baseball strategies that are more in line with what I like, definitely. I am all for bunts in those situations. But that's also not this team and I can respect that too. Could he have sacrificed himself in rundown to get the runners to second and third....definitely. But it was so damned close to a run that I can't second guess his decision.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:59 am to Jon A thon
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Then there's his slide....man that was an amazing throw-catch-tag combo in the moment. I don't know how you expect someone to avoid a tag from a ball that short hopped under their body from a throw coming from behind them......:smh:
That’s the thing. The ball shouldn’t have short hopped UNDER his body. A normal slide and the ball never make it to the catcher.
Tre decided to try and block the throw rather than beat it with a good slide.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 11:00 am
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:03 am to Contrary
Well let's work through the situations based on your preference of keeping a very short secondary lead at 3rd.
Passed ball, you may not score or even be able to attempt to score. You can argue that it's a worthwhile tradeoff, that's fine. But it is something you're giving up.
But if you have a short secondary lead it really leads to issues with Beloso running down the line if he hits it to any of the other infield spots.
If you run on contact to the middle but not the corners, I still think you're likely getting thrown out at home given the infield looked like they were playing "halfway". Tre runs okay but he's not exactly fast. The infield is going to look home first at that inning and score.
If you want to see it through the infield, I'd say there's a decent chance they could turn a double play with Beloso running even with a check of Tre at 3rd...so then you have a man on 3rd with 2 outs, which is worse than 1st and 2nd with 1 out.
Passed ball, you may not score or even be able to attempt to score. You can argue that it's a worthwhile tradeoff, that's fine. But it is something you're giving up.
But if you have a short secondary lead it really leads to issues with Beloso running down the line if he hits it to any of the other infield spots.
If you run on contact to the middle but not the corners, I still think you're likely getting thrown out at home given the infield looked like they were playing "halfway". Tre runs okay but he's not exactly fast. The infield is going to look home first at that inning and score.
If you want to see it through the infield, I'd say there's a decent chance they could turn a double play with Beloso running even with a check of Tre at 3rd...so then you have a man on 3rd with 2 outs, which is worse than 1st and 2nd with 1 out.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:05 am to RB10
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He was told to go on groundball contact.
This! CJJ said after the game that they were in a "Red" situation, which he said means Morgan is running on any ground ball. He said the chances of a double play on a ground ball were too high not to have him moving. Don't recall ever wishing for a double play, but that would have been better than what transpired. At least it would have gotten the run home! At least on a slow grounder to the right side, which is where Beloso has hit just about every other ball he's hit this year!
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:06 am to Contrary
It’s easy for us all to second guess every decision once it doesn’t work. Had it worked then we wouldn’t question anything done by the coaches.
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