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To anyone who has read the indictment
Posted on 8/1/23 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 8/1/23 at 8:53 pm
Cliffs? I saw one headline that said it alleges he knew he was making fraudulent claims about the election being stolen, and that there is evidence his advisors were telling him his statements weren’t true.
Only problem with that is people get told shite isn’t true all the time and they still believe it. Seems like they’d need him to admit he knew none of it was true.
Only problem with that is people get told shite isn’t true all the time and they still believe it. Seems like they’d need him to admit he knew none of it was true.
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Posted on 8/1/23 at 8:55 pm to baybeefeetz
So you can’t just read it yourself? You need someone else to tell you what was in it?
Posted on 8/1/23 at 8:56 pm to baybeefeetz
quote:
To anyone who has read the indictment
Cliffs? I saw one headline
Read the indictment please and then go listen to the 2nd impeachment hearings the Senate conducted where they refused to impeach him for Jan. 6th.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 8:56 pm to baybeefeetz
No fan of Trump's, Jonathan Turley's initial assessment:
LINK
quote:
Special Counsel Jack Smith just issued the first criminal indictment of alleged disinformation in my view. If you take a red pen to all of the material presumptively protected by the First Amendment, you can reduce much of the indictment to haiku...
LINK
This post was edited on 8/1/23 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 8/1/23 at 8:57 pm to navy
quote:
The election was stolen.
A substantial number of trump-appointed judges seem to disagree with you. In fact, this indictment alleges that even Trump disagrees with you, and lied to you knowing you’ll drink what ever koolaid daddy mixes up for you.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 8:58 pm to ShinerHorns
Yes and no. I know how to read, but I have other things to do.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 8:59 pm to baybeefeetz
quote:
Cliffs?
Posted on 8/1/23 at 9:00 pm to navy
quote:
The election was stolen.
I think Trump was selling the illusion the election was stolen.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 9:02 pm to baybeefeetz
I agree - they'd need to have at least SOME "mens rea" statement or confession or other abject demonstration of an attempt to "steal" something you know isn't yours.
Since he has various advisors who evidently told him it was not possible, or that he had really lost, or that he shouldn't even try, I wonder if he may have stumbled into some Trumpism like "yeah but I think we can outfox them anyway." < would that be enough to trigger the 'consciousness of guilt' requirement for a felony charge?
Certainly, just the "opinion" that he had been cheated could not be the only element of the charge - would he not have had to commit some other 'crime' not associated with trying to 'redo' the election, like breaking and entering, or planting false evidence, or ???
Since he has various advisors who evidently told him it was not possible, or that he had really lost, or that he shouldn't even try, I wonder if he may have stumbled into some Trumpism like "yeah but I think we can outfox them anyway." < would that be enough to trigger the 'consciousness of guilt' requirement for a felony charge?
Certainly, just the "opinion" that he had been cheated could not be the only element of the charge - would he not have had to commit some other 'crime' not associated with trying to 'redo' the election, like breaking and entering, or planting false evidence, or ???
Posted on 8/1/23 at 9:08 pm to BayouBoogaloo
quote:
quote:
The election was stolen.
A substantial number of trump-appointed judges seem to disagree with you. In fact, this indictment alleges that even Trump disagrees with you, and lied to you knowing you’ll drink what ever koolaid daddy mixes up for you.
So it was completely normal for every single swing state to stop counting and then all magically get a vote dump that almost all for Biden and just happened to all go to Biden....Yep seems correct.
And I'm sure you believe the DOJ is imparting full and equal justice without any bias. You can live in your make believe world but don't act like what occurred in the 2020 election is just how all elections go.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 9:13 pm to baybeefeetz
So should we prosecute Fauci et. al. for pushing masks, vaccines stop the spread and Covid is naturally occurrence. How about Hillary, Schiff & Fang-fang’s butt boy for pushing the Russian Collusion Hoax? How about Biden for saying Hunter is the smartest man he knows and never discussed his business dealings.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 9:14 pm to rtiger
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So it was completely normal for every single swing state to stop counting and then all magically get a vote dump that almost all for Biden and just happened to all go to Biden....Yep seems correct.
I’m simply stating that many Trump-appointed judges decided that yes, it was completely normal.
As for “selective Justice,” if Biden, Obama, or Hillary broke the law, bring charges against them too for all I care. I think every single politician is a crook. But whataboutism doesn’t exonerate Trump from his crimes if, after trial, he’s found guilty.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 9:15 pm to baybeefeetz
Just another tool to convince the simple minded people there was no fraud.
They laid the groundwork in Michigan by charging the (mostly elderly) alternate electors a few weeks ago. Not to mention holding J6 people without bail indefinitely.
We are North Korea.
They laid the groundwork in Michigan by charging the (mostly elderly) alternate electors a few weeks ago. Not to mention holding J6 people without bail indefinitely.
We are North Korea.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 9:15 pm to BayouBoogaloo
Hey look a new alter!
Posted on 8/1/23 at 9:16 pm to baybeefeetz
The problem with this is heresy. Last time I checked, it doesn't hold up in court.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 9:17 pm to BayouBoogaloo
quote:
But whataboutism doesn’t exonerate Trump from his crimes if, after trial, he’s found guilty.
What exactly are his crimes?
Posted on 8/1/23 at 9:18 pm to BayouBoogaloo
quote:
I’m simply stating that many Trump-appointed judges decided that yes, it was completely normal
No. They didn't.
Not a single federal court addressed these claims on the merits. Every one was scuttled procedurally, primarily on standing.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 9:19 pm to udtiger
quote:
Not a single federal court addressed these claims on the merits. Every one was scuttled procedurally, primarily on standing.
This x's 10000
Posted on 8/1/23 at 9:22 pm to baybeefeetz
In a conversation with Pence DJT
acknowledges that the fraud claims weren’t true and tells Pence that he’s “too honest”.
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