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re: Ford, GM, Mercedes come clean on EV demand weakness
Posted on 11/1/23 at 6:47 pm to Puffoluffagus
Posted on 11/1/23 at 6:47 pm to Puffoluffagus
I can’t provide a link but I remember Elon saying awhile ago that he wants Tesla to basically be the nations default charging apparatus.
He saw more money in keeping EVs charged than making EVs as competition increases
He saw more money in keeping EVs charged than making EVs as competition increases
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Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:23 pm to BuckyCheese
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Checks today's date... November 1 2023.
That means frick all to sales in the last year+ and not all that much to potential sales right now.
Why would I get a Ford or GM that can't use Superchargers when I can get a Tesla now or just wait?
The best deal GM had was the Bolt and they initially canceled it b/c they wanted to push more expensive vehicles. Now they reversed course and claim it'll be back but who knows how long that will game?
Again, most of the Tesla competitors are too expensive for what you get. Average Joe shmoe EV buyer who can afford them is going to cross shop, see the legacy brands don't really have any true advantages and either wait for something else or get a Tesla. The ones who can afford the super expensive ones will again either go w/Tesla or Rivian right now. The legacy brands aren't giving people a good reason to buy their stuff.
It doesn't help matters that when a car does make headway w/the public the dealerships all jack the prices way the frick up which immediately turns buyers right back to Tesla and their haggle free pricing.
Right now your choices are mediocre legacy brand offerings or Telsa w/their kind of lame interiors.
If I could get an EV Grand Cherokee that was equivalent to my '14 WK2 Overland or an EV mini van I'd be in one right now. Unfortunately nobody makes that.
There are probably a ton of people who feel the same way w/certain brands. If there was an EV RAV4, CRV, Civic, or Corrolla at a reasonable price it would likely sell well. The Japanese brands are still wish casting hydrogen though.
This post was edited on 11/1/23 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:28 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Sure would be nice to have 1500 acres of trees instead.
Wind and solar farms are an abomination on the land.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:33 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Wind and solar farms are an abomination on the land.
Not in west Texas. It’s the perfect place for them.
This post was edited on 11/1/23 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:37 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Sure would be nice to have 1500 acres of trees instead.
One of these days, the climate fear mongers are going to realize that trees actually help the environment and climate.
They just haven't figured out a way to make money off of planting more trees
Posted on 11/1/23 at 9:12 pm to member12
I live in DFW and I’ve noticed a huge increase in EV’s over the last two years.
I think folks are realizing that the charging infrastructure isn’t available right now and it’s not worth it & that charging actually cost money.
I think folks are realizing that the charging infrastructure isn’t available right now and it’s not worth it & that charging actually cost money.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 9:14 pm to Capital Cajun
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I think folks are realizing that the charging infrastructure isn’t available right now and it’s not worth it & that charging actually cost money.
Yeah anyone relying on charging at charging stations etc. Will quickly find out that it's just as expensive if not more expensive than filling up with gas.
You're only going to get charging "savings" charging at home which is what the bulk of ev owners do
Posted on 11/1/23 at 9:30 pm to member12
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waning demand for electric vehicles
There was very little natural demand for EVs.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 9:50 pm to billjamin
I've driven through those fields, they're ugly as sin.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 9:52 pm to Lima Whiskey
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I've driven through those fields, they're ugly as sin.
West Texas is ugly. But wind farms and solar have done more to keep ranching alive than people driving through admiring the tumbleweeds and rattlesnakes.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 9:59 pm to Puffoluffagus
But it takes 3x as long, so there's that...
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:01 am to Lima Whiskey
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Wind and solar farms are an abomination on the land.
Not the thousands of chemicals from runoff that end up in our rivers and oceans?
Posted on 11/2/23 at 6:43 am to billjamin
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Tesla doesn't get the subsidy for leased vehicles. The leasing company does.
So Tesla just gives the leasing company the vehicles and never receives a dime for them? That is nice...seems like they would just cut out the middle man and give them to the end user....
Posted on 11/2/23 at 6:45 am to TigersnJeeps
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Sounds like the company did a bad job of evaluating thier needs and requirements vs the vehicles they got.
Were they forced to lease them?
Not technially forced...wanted to do it to show the way. They are leased to the Federal Government LOL. The only organization which can be mismanaged to the point that leasing electric vehicles wouldn't get everybody ran off LOL...
Posted on 11/2/23 at 6:57 am to moneyg
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What was the upside of this transition? Reduced fuel costs?
That was part if it but it was more about them being "renewable" energy vehicles LOL. The same organization burns diesel fuel shipping pine chips from the far corners of the south, mixes them with used tires and burns the result to produce "green" power and "green" steam.
I get it. There is a energy revolution going on and it is real and not going away...and who ever is in front of it will lead the world for a long time and leading the world has been the US's thing since the end of WW2. These kinds of "experiments" are part of the process...they are costly and mistakes are made but every mistake should result in a lesson learned. The problem is that we politicize this today. That means that these things must be supported by the public like we support a football team....it is not enough to go to the moon for the sake of going to the moon we must go to the moon because it will make life better. EVs and green energy will eventually make life better. The problem is we are pretending as if that day is today and it is not...and lying about what we are doing to facilitate it.
Renewable energy is anything but renewable. Green energy ain't green. There is no such thing as carbon neutrality. There may be some day and if so we are developing that tech today...but it is in the development stage while we pretend it is a finished product. The pine chip and tire power plant is a great example. No one who designed the thing was under any delusion about it being green or renewable or efficient. It was and is a R&D project....and a damned good one that is surprisingly efficient...but we will not extoll its actual virtues because one side will moan about "guvment spending" and the other side will moan about 'muh the environment"...so we have to coddle one side or the other and pretend as if the damned thing is environmentally friendly. It is not, but the 4th or 5th generation will be UNLESS the lying about it now kills public support and the second generation never comes about. The nuclear power industry destroyed itself in its infancy by doing exactly what the green energy industr is doing today...lying to the public and overstating the currecnt tech.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:08 am to AwgustaDawg
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So Tesla just gives the leasing company the vehicles and never receives a dime for them? That is nice...seems like they would just cut out the middle man and give them to the end user....
The word you’re looking for is sell. They sell vehicles then the leasing company trades the rebate for capital. That’s actually how it works.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:13 am to BuckyCheese
quote:That fact does not refute anything you quoted
Guess that is why Tesla has missed production estimates the last two quarters...
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:15 am to BuckyCheese
quote:What are you taking issue?
Want to take a break from sucking Elon's cock and give us some links that back up your claims?
Are you so jaded on this subject and have lost all sense of reality, that you're actually trying to argue that the supercharging network is not rapidly growing?
You're not even trying right now, just blindly biased and now not believing facts and lashing out. Pretty weird, but you do you.
quote:Weird of you to laugh while pretending that the supercharging network isn't growing.
btw-I'm laughing at your interpretation of numbers.
quote:It's over for Tesla, just shut it down. Terrible company, no success, just awful job they've done.
Interpret this; Tesla missed production estimates by over 30k last quarter and is soon to be overtaken as the #1 producer of EVs.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:18 am to BuckyCheese
quote:What a melt we're getting to witness.
You can go back to sucking Elon off now.
*Fanboiz are such clowns.
So weird that people lose their minds like this poster over stuff like this.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 10:20 am
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