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re: Where are all DiNardo's national championships?

Posted on 1/11/24 at 3:26 pm to
Posted by St Jean The Baptiste
Laredo, TX
Member since Aug 2015
5828 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 3:26 pm to
Gerry did extremely well.

His biggest mistake was hiring Lou Tepper as DC, a friend.

Our defense was already great, but was accustomed to a 4-3 defense. Tepper came in and switched to a 3-4, which is completely asinine. Our defense struggled to learn the new system, but our offense was fantastic. If LSU would have just stuck to the 4-3, you’re at least looking at an SEC West Championship in 1998, and we probably could have beaten the Vols in the SECCG.
Posted by Ltown_tiger
Livonia
Member since Aug 2013
2014 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 3:26 pm to
If these youngins would have lived through what we went through in the 90's they'd appreciate more where the program is now. I will have to say tickets were cheap and easy to get in the 90's though.
Posted by GeauxtigersMs36
The coast
Member since Jan 2018
8173 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 3:36 pm to
He went to the independence bowl twice and a peach( before it was big) ….. not like he went to the sugar or anything close.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
30797 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 3:36 pm to
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If we are going to change the history books to claim any improvement to LSU's prominence since 1999 is because of DiNardo not Saban, I'd think a coach with that sort of transformative ability would have a bunch of championships to show for it?


Because nothing can be incremental to LSU fans. Or maybe Saban was in a better place after Dinardo than he would have been after Hallman. Dinardo did one thing, he made LSU the school Louisiana kids wanted to go to again. He brought the magic back, I'm old enough to remember all of that.

That doesn't mean DiNardo got LSU pushed into the forefront of modern NCAA football, only that he got LSU set up for moving forward.

Take a look at the players DiNardo left for Saban vs those left by Hallman. Tell me if the difference isn't night and day.

DiNardo may have given Saban the tinder he needed but Saban is the guy who struck the spark and lit the fire of success at LSU.


Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10097 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 3:36 pm to
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any improvement to LSU's prominence since 1999 is because of DiNardo not Saban
WTH.
Who exactly claims this?
Gerry stopped some bleeding in recruiting and gave Saban some players.
On the other hand, post there wouldn't have been a Saban at LSU without Emmert's flagship vision for LSU and Sabanistas are on the attack.
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 3:37 pm
Posted by DamnStrong1860
The Second City
Member since Oct 2012
3001 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 3:41 pm to
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If we are going to change the history books to claim any improvement to LSU's prominence since 1999 is because of DiNardo not Saban, I'd think a coach with that sort of transformative ability would have a bunch of championships to show for it?


The point is that, unlike other programs, several coaches contributed to the status of LSU today. We wouldn’t be where we are without Nick. But maybe we wouldn’t be where we are without Gerry because his tenure showed guys like Nick what this place could be. Dude took a program that had 6 straight losing seasons to three straight bowl games. For those of us who were kids at the time and had only really ever seen the losing side of LSU, that was AMAZING.

Then, there’s guys like Les and O. Neither are the coach that Saban is (understatement of the year). But even they contributed. Look at all the winning Nebraska did with Tom Osborne. Over 25 years he built a blue blood much stronger than what LSU was when Nick left. 25 years versus Saban’s 5. 13 conference titles versus Saban’s 2. 3 national titles to Saban’s 1. shite, he won 3 Natty’s in his last for years. And coach after coach after coach since he left has stumbled and failed miserably. So if Nebraska wasn’t too blue blood to fail, y’all really think Nick left LSU in a better position? No?

Dude had two ten win seasons in 5 years. And that’s the legacy that was so fool proof that all Less had to do was show up and eat grass for 11 years? And by 2019, 15 years later, when the greatest college football team ever, with the greatest college football player ever won a Natty, that was still Nick? Or can we give O credit for putting together a special team and staff?

I do not dispute that Nick Saban is the greatest college football coach ever.

That said, he is not solely responsible for what LSU has become since 2000.

Hell, it can be argued he did more to set LSU back in the last 17 years than he did to bring us forward in the five years he was here.

Re-writing history is slobbing this dude’s knob after all the BS he pulled over the last 17 years. Good riddance.

Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20457 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 3:59 pm to
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DiNardo may have gotten a few guys but Saban showed that this is a massive program. How anyone is simping for DiNardo when Saban awoke this monster is insane.




END frickING THREAD!
Except- it isn't.

Saban with an elite talent pool is great.
Saban with no talent advantage is average.

The NFL guys drooled over his schemes, which are today outdated; he hasn't used them in almost a decade.

They were excited about his organization, but a good number of coaches have systems. There's a good argument Carroll's system might have been better- it worked in the NFL too. Urban had his own system, which worked and now Day is running it. Harbaugh has his, which also was more successful in the NFL; had Stanford(!) humming, and just won it all for Michigan. Kelly has his own, which is being implemented at LSU after fixing Notre Dame and building up Cincinnati.

Systems are great, but you need talent too.

Dinardo fixed the talent issue at LSU; he stopped the constant leakage of top guys to Fla State, Miami etc. If that hadn't happened, Saban (if he even came here) would have turned LSU into, basically, Iowa. Fundamentally sound, minimal mistakes, still gets overwhelmed when facing an elite team. Which is what happened to him at Michigan State, what happens to Ferentz at Iowa, etc.
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6--Brazos River Backwater
Member since Sep 2015
26355 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 4:01 pm to
Ironically, Hallman left DiNardo a loaded roster, and the latter was a competent enough coach to reverse the habit of losing and generate three consecutive winning seasons.
Posted by Jdixon
Member since Aug 2014
2936 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 4:51 pm to
DiNardo brought back the magic and beat Saban in what was probably best ever Independence Bowl.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
37535 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 4:58 pm to
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Because nothing can be incremental to LSU fans. Or maybe Saban was in a better place after Dinardo than he would have been after Hallman. Dinardo did one thing, he made LSU the school Louisiana kids wanted to go to again. He brought the magic back, I'm old enough to remember all of that.

That doesn't mean DiNardo got LSU pushed into the forefront of modern NCAA football, only that he got LSU set up for moving forward.

Take a look at the players DiNardo left for Saban vs those left by Hallman. Tell me if the difference isn't night and day.

DiNardo may have given Saban the tinder he needed but Saban is the guy who struck the spark and lit the fire of success at LSU.
This is why I like you. Solid my man.
Posted by Tigerfan1274
Member since May 2019
3167 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 5:14 pm to
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Ironically, Hallman left DiNardo a loaded roster, and the latter was a competent enough coach to reverse the habit of losing and generate three consecutive winning seasons.


This all day. Hallman was awful but he could recruit. Hallman left Dinardo future pros Eddie Kennison, Sheddrick Wilson, David LaFleur, Ben Bordelon, Alan Fanaca, James Gillyard, Tory James, Gabe Northern, Denard Walker, Raion Hill, Chuck Wiley, and Kenny Mixon. That’s a pretty damn good foundation. Dinardo deserves credit for also recruiting well but Saban locked down Baton Rouge and New Orleans. That was huge.
Posted by Purple Spoon
Hoth
Member since Feb 2005
17929 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 5:20 pm to
My kids may never know the type of euphoria I felt after beating Michigan State and the independence bowl.
Posted by MDB
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2019
3094 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 5:32 pm to
DiNardo’s main fault was his steadfast loyalty to a very bad staff. Unlike Brian Kelly cleaning house, Gerry went down with the ship and a lot of supporters screamed at him to get rid of his coordinators. It cost him his job and his legacy.

With the talent he was bringing in — had he made the needed staff moves — LSU was destined to be a very good team akin to the ‘80s. But it took Saban to jump start the juggernaut.

Don’t dismiss DiNardo’s contribution. Plus he did not have an Emmert in his dugout.
Posted by LSU Jax
Gator Country Hell
Member since Sep 2006
8886 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 5:40 pm to
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If we are going to change the history books to claim any improvement to LSU's prominence since 1999 is because of DiNardo not Saban

I haven’t been on here all day but there’s no fricking way anybody said that.
Posted by ShermanTxTiger
Broussard, La
Member since Oct 2007
10905 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 6:42 pm to
Say what you will but LSU football was in the toilet from 89-94. Those were miserable arse years.

Dinardo turned things around and got us back to revelance. He lost his way with bad staffing decisions and bad luck.

Gerry brought back the magic

Posted by PurpleExile
Member since Dec 2020
453 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 6:51 pm to
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A few of the most fun LSU games I've ever been to were the consecutive Independence bowls where Dinardo's teams beat Michigan St (coached by Saban) and Notre Dame.

Those wins were huge for getting kids from Louisiana wanting to come back to LSU....


This is absolutely true. Those two seasons were pivotal in Saban's quick turnaround, not so much for the depth chart that Dinardo left him with, but rather the doors in Louisiana that Dinardo opened for him.
When LSU played in the Independence Bowl, Dinardo held pregame practices at high schools around Shreveport and invited fans to come and watch. There were big crowds and the players signed autographs and posed for pictures, etc.
In the months that followed, you saw LSU bumper stickers and posters cropping up in North Louisiana. During the McLendon-Stovall-Archer-Hallman years, the northern part of the state rooted for Arkansas and the Dallas Cowboys. The Shreveport newspapers sent writers to cover the Razorbacks and Cowboys.
I give Dinardo credit for being the impetus that helped to change that. Then Saban came, won quickly...and we've never looked back.
Posted by thumperpait
Member since Nov 2005
2442 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 7:10 pm to
DiNardo was a good coach as long as he had good coordinators. When lou tepper and his defense that took 6 years to learn was his downfall. Just think of this years defense and no offense. But before DiNardo, it was really bad.

Just having a winning season was a time for celebration and fireworks. That's why the older generation of LSU fans consider the fan base now is spoiled as shite. We were excited as hell because we were going to beat a ranked and very good Auburn team. And Jamie Howard threw a gazillion pick 6's in the forth quarter. We could have just ran the ball every play and win. That's just a example of how bad we were.
Posted by Cincinnati Tiigre
Cincinnati
Member since Nov 2015
1103 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:00 pm to
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but the truth is that any credit given to Dinardo without mentioning Kevin Faulk is only half the story. Faulk gambled his future coming here, he could have gone anywhere, but he stayed home and made it cool again to stay home and play for LSU.


Dinardo recognized this too. I recall after his introductory press conference he headed straight to Carencro on his first recruiting visit.
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