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re: Does LSU have 5 national championships since 2003 if Saban stays in the NFL?
Posted on 1/12/24 at 9:46 am to Penrod
Posted on 1/12/24 at 9:46 am to Penrod
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No. Miles would have won two, giving us three for the era. He would have become complacent even faster had he won that 2011 championship.
Miles never got “complacent.”
He just refused to modernize the offense. The only school that beat him consistently the rest of his career was Alabama.
We win in 11, and likely 12. Who knows what recruits we pick up after that (think Landon Collins) and likely parlay that into at least 1 if not 2 more in the 2010s.
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Posted on 1/12/24 at 9:47 am to mikesliveisacheater
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you don't get Joe Burrow and the 2019 season
so the real question is do you trade 2019 for 2-4 additional nattys. as crazy as it sounds, i think i do...
Posted on 1/12/24 at 9:49 am to Saunson69
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Another season that I think goes under noticed is the very next year. If Yeldon drops that screen or Saban doesn't go to Bama and we're playing an early 2000's level Bama that year, we'd have very likely won. That'd result in going to SEC final where we would've matched up Murray and UGA again. I can't say for sure how that'd turn out, but I know for a fact if we won that, we would've wipe out Notre Dame in the BCS nati.
Yeah 2012 comes down to LSU vs UGA.
Hell I’d argue 2013 is likely a championship season without the juggernaut of Alabama.
We’d have landed several defensive prospects that Saban took out of our backyard and our defense doesn’t cost us the games we lost.
Could have legit been looking at a three peat then the LF 2014 class coming in.
This post was edited on 1/12/24 at 9:54 am
Posted on 1/12/24 at 9:59 am to BMoney
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Not Saban related, but with no Katrina, we win it in 2005.
Even undefeated, LSU never makes the BCSNCG in 2005, USC and Texas were 1/2 all season and LSU would have never jumped them. Auburn was just left out the year before so they would have no problem leaving LSU out.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:10 am to The Boat
Yeah that’s a common myth that just doesn’t hold weight.
USC UT were on a collision path all season.
Would have been crazy after the split title in 03 but we weren’t getting the matchup with USC unless UT lost.
USC UT were on a collision path all season.
Would have been crazy after the split title in 03 but we weren’t getting the matchup with USC unless UT lost.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:13 am to Tiger Voodoo
Lost in the 2012 talk is that it's not a given LSU beats Georgia in the SECCG. Georgia should have beaten Alabama and was playing great. LSU wasn't playing very well down the stretch. Could it have been an Alabama loss hangover? Probably, but from what we have to go by from what we saw on the field.. Georgia was the better team at the end of November.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:22 am to Saunson69
LES MILES was very close regardless at winning B2B nattys in 2011 and 2012. and he woulda had 3 nattys overall had that happened. imagine that now. 
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:23 am to The Boat
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Lost in the 2012 talk is that it's not a given LSU beats Georgia in the SECCG.
agree. if we win that tho we stomp ND. regardless miles was very close to winning 3 nattys. see my post above
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:29 am to Saunson69
I feel pretty damn confident we would’ve won in 06. That team was full of killers and arguably better than 07.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:29 am to LSUfan4444
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This butterfly thing is really hard to do
It's impossible. Maybe Saban's success at Bama helped drive Miles. If Bama doesn't win in '08 and '09, maybe Miles isn't as motivated to build the roster and our '11 and '12 teams aren't the same. Bama was something to aim for.
It kinda reminds me of Andre Agassi and Pete Sampras. Agassi was one of the best tennis players of all time, but resume doesn't necessarily reflect it because he lost so many slams to Sampras. I'd love to ask him if he thinks he would have won more if not for Sampras or if Sampras made him work harder and, if not for him, he may not have even won the ones he did. We'll never know, but I think Saban success at Bama gave Les some juice and something to aim for.
And honestly, though this is really easy to say, I like how special all our championships are. Sure, 2 more would have been great, but at some point they get diluted and just don't mean as much. And anyway, all roads lead to '19, and I wouldn't trade that season for anything.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:39 am to Hot Carl
I think that it is cute that LSU fans really and truly think the SEC would have allowed LSU to have this type of run.
Even when Saban was at LSU, his teams were penalized left and right. That 2003 team was one of the "worst". LSUSaban would never get the benefits that BamaSaban did. NEVER.
Hell, Saban got a great send off from Auburn in 2004.
LSU would have been left out in 2005 regardless.
2006 saw LSU lose a blatantly fixed game to Auburn. No shot there.
I could do this all day.
Regardless, anything that would take away 2019, I don't want it. LSU will always have the GOAT team that went a legit 15-0 against one of the toughest schedules in the history of the sport. That won't happen again, especially now. No begging or pleading was needed. No narrative changes, nothing. And it was done with a functional retard as coach.
Even when Saban was at LSU, his teams were penalized left and right. That 2003 team was one of the "worst". LSUSaban would never get the benefits that BamaSaban did. NEVER.
Hell, Saban got a great send off from Auburn in 2004.
LSU would have been left out in 2005 regardless.
2006 saw LSU lose a blatantly fixed game to Auburn. No shot there.
I could do this all day.
Regardless, anything that would take away 2019, I don't want it. LSU will always have the GOAT team that went a legit 15-0 against one of the toughest schedules in the history of the sport. That won't happen again, especially now. No begging or pleading was needed. No narrative changes, nothing. And it was done with a functional retard as coach.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:41 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Hell, Saban got a great send off from Auburn in 2004.
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2006 saw LSU lose a blatantly fixed game to Auburn. No shot there.
yup both fixed shite games.
a call never used again to screw us in 2004 and 8 calls/no calls to blatantly screw us in GRAND THEFT AUBURN most rigged game in history.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:45 am to mikesliveisacheater
We get 2011 & 2012. Yes Miles would have 3 total and probably untouchable but with a new AD coming in (Woody) who is all about winning National Championships who knows. I think He’s still out, would’ve just taken longer.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:52 am to mikesliveisacheater
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But if you won 2011 and 2012, then Miles would have made it several years longer (maybe still here with 3 NC) and you don't get Joe Burrow and the 2019 season
You may not get Joe Brady, but why not 2019 otherwise?
I mean, Burrow was always going to transfer from Ohio State, that doesn't change.
Miles had already taken and started Mettenberger and Etling, so you have even bigger precedent to come to LSU... he hoped Orgeron would give him a shot. He would know Miles would.
Look at Miles' past WRs, he had a string going to the NFL. We absolutely have Jefferson, and almost certainly Chase and Marshall.
So like I said, maybe not Brady; but Miles passed the ball with Mett and even Etling. If he had a smart QB, he let him pass. And Burrow's progression could just as easily be going to the second year as a starter- just as Daniels did.
Burrow didn't fall off a cliff in the NFL without Brady, so he would likely still become very good.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:53 am to moock blackjack
Our offense was so 1 deminsional Bama was going to at last us 9/10 times
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:20 am to Saunson69
If Saban stays at Miami, Miles reaps the benefits on the recruiting trail and Urban never retires for "health reasons" leading to LSU and Florida dominating the SEC landscape for another decade and that Mid-October match-up would have continued to be the CBS spotlight game of the year
LSU and Florida split the six championships 4/2
LSU and Florida split the six championships 4/2
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:29 am to Saunson69
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Does LSU have 5 national championships since 2003 if Saban stays in the NFL?
Posted on 1/12/24 at 12:37 pm to Saunson69
I think it’s safe to think 2011 we would have won. And with a win, I don’t think as many juniors would have jumped ship to go pro early. With even more upperclassman our 2012 team would have been even more stacked and I think we would have won it.
Now after that who know because without Saban too recruits may have gone elsewhere other than Bama and who knows how that would have effected other teams ability to compete.
Downside is we probably have Miles for longer and we don’t end up with everything that came together to make 2019 happen.
Now after that who know because without Saban too recruits may have gone elsewhere other than Bama and who knows how that would have effected other teams ability to compete.
Downside is we probably have Miles for longer and we don’t end up with everything that came together to make 2019 happen.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 12:53 pm to Saunson69
LSU wins 2011 no question
2012 very possible but UGA is not a layup they had Bama on the ropes but whoever wins slaughters Notre Dame.
If we win 12 then no way does Les get fired in 16. You don’t get Burrow but maybe Fournette wins the Heisman in 2015? We don’t lose some of the recruits we lose. Too many variables to really know. Also who does Bama hire? If Rich Rod in 2007 who do they hire after 3-4 years? Also if no Saban at Bama does Meyer leave Florida?
2012 very possible but UGA is not a layup they had Bama on the ropes but whoever wins slaughters Notre Dame.
If we win 12 then no way does Les get fired in 16. You don’t get Burrow but maybe Fournette wins the Heisman in 2015? We don’t lose some of the recruits we lose. Too many variables to really know. Also who does Bama hire? If Rich Rod in 2007 who do they hire after 3-4 years? Also if no Saban at Bama does Meyer leave Florida?
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