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re: LA moving toward closed primaries
Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:49 am to doubleb
Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:49 am to doubleb
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Right now in Louisiana a as situation that allows the Dems to huddle up, pick their top dog for Governor, and he inevitably gets into the general election by getting most of the Dem vote. He can husband his resources and save them for the general election.
On the other hand the Republican field has numerous viable candidates, and these various candidates have to really go after each other in hopes of qualifying for the general election. They have to campaign much harder and spend more resources.
How is that not WORSE in a closed-party primary? A closed system guarantees that result, whereas an open system would at least let a Republican win in the first election.
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:50 am to doubleb
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I can see a closed primary system that sponsors elections for parties to pick their guy for the general election. I believe most states do it that way.
Most states do not have the crap dumpster that is the LAGOP. The same fools that could not organize an escape from a wet paper bag.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:01 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Also, keep in mind most LA Republicans would meet this board's definition of a RINO.
100%. I can think of two real Republicans. Sebaugh and McCormick. That includes state and federal.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:09 pm to GeorgeWest
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There is widespread opposition to this among state legislators now. Both my state rep and state sen have assured me they will OPPOSE this change and both are pro-Landry Republicans.
This. Closed primaries aren’t the Louisiana I know. The way we do it currently we know a candidate will have 50% support at some point
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:22 pm to BigJim
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How is that not WORSE in a closed-party primary? A closed system guarantees that result, whereas an open system would at least let a Republican win in the first election.
In a closed primary one Republican would be guaranteed to win and advance to the general election. You aren’t making sense.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:25 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Most states do not have the crap dumpster that is the LAGOP. The same fools that could not organize an escape from a wet paper bag.
You wouldn’t need the LaGOP. You just sign up and run as a Republican. You’d face nothing but Republicans unless you win the Republican nomination at the ballot box.
Your misgivings about the party heads don’t matter.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:28 pm to chalmetteowl
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This. Closed primaries aren’t the Louisiana I know. The way we do it currently we know a candidate will have 50% support at some point
Whether you are pro closed or pro open the system should always produce a winner with 50% plus one votes.
For that reason I’d oppose Landry’s bill.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:39 pm to doubleb
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You wouldn’t need the LaGOP. You just sign up and run as a Republican. You’d face nothing but Republicans unless you win the Republican nomination at the ballot box.
Your misgivings about the party heads don’t matter.
As I read the bill, the LAGOP would get to decide whether or not to let non-registered Republicans vote, and they can do so on a primary date by primary date basis.
That gives them power.
This is the same group that endoresed Landry way too early.
You don't think something is in this for the LAGOP, and this is Landry paying them back?
In ways official and unofficial, they will end up with more power, and that is bad for all of us.
This is a bad bill. Maybe there is a way to do closed primaries with a better bill.
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:42 pm to RobbBobb
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Thats how you get JBE and Bill Cassidy
The year Bill Cassidy first got elected to the U.S. Senate, he would have still won even if we had closed primaries.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:44 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Do you have a point?
My point was your post made no sense. We don't have primaries right now at all. You said:
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It's because trash democrats who have no intention of voting Republican keep fricking up primaries.
It's an attempt to welcome all voters who want to vote Republican. You can't have nice things with democrats
In a jungle election, everyone is on a single ballot and anyone can vote for whoever they want. All voters who want to vote Republican can do so now and Dems aren't messing with GOP Primaries because they don't exist.
I think you're confused and believe we have open primaries right now and are shifting to closed. We currently have everyone on a single ballot and party affiliation is meaningless. The top two move on to the general/runoff election unless someone gets 50% in the initial election.
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:48 pm to LSUFanHouston
It passed in the house 60/40! But thanks to the moron senate President who gave key committees to dems it seems it will die in committee! It needs 5 yay votes to move out of committee for floor vote! So far, only two voted yes
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:51 pm to doubleb
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Whether you are pro closed or pro open the system should always produce a winner with 50% plus one votes.
A closed primary system does not do that.
Nothing prevents third party candidates or parties from entering the general election.
Only our current system actually ensures that the winner of the election actually gets 50+1…..unless this proposed closed primary bill retains the top two runoff structure (which would be three elections for each office)
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 1/18/24 at 1:11 pm to LaBoyNTn
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moron senate President who gave key committees to dems it seems it will die in committee!
Which is exactly why closed primaries are needed.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 1:25 pm to tigerfootball10
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Which is exactly why closed primaries are needed.
How would closed primaries prevent that?
Posted on 1/18/24 at 1:30 pm to Indefatigable
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A closed primary system does not do that.
A closed primary can do that if you design it that way. You make it so there is a run off between the top two candidates if no candidate gets a majority.
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Only our current system actually ensures that the winner of the election actually gets 50+1…..unless this proposed closed primary bill retains the top two runoff structure (which would be three elections for each office)
Wrong Georgia’s does too.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 1:32 pm to LSUFanHouston
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This is a bad bill.
We agree.
And it’s being rushed along.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 1:32 pm to Indefatigable
You could primary weak Republicans without their buddies running cover for them
Posted on 1/18/24 at 1:33 pm to doubleb
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A closed primary can do that if you design it that way. You make it so there is a run off between the top two candidates if no candidate gets a majority.
So now we’re voting three times?
Where’s the benefit in that over a jungle primary system? A runoff in a closed system will still result in a D and an R.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 1:34 pm to doubleb
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Wrong Georgia’s does too.
I meant within the options for our state. Georgia and I think maybe Washington? also have a jungle primary-ish setup and 50% rule. California does too I believe.
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 1/18/24 at 1:36 pm to tigerfootball10
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You could primary weak Republicans without their buddies running cover for them
You could also just not vote for them in a general election and vote for someone else?
I’m not seeing how a closed primary achieves anything that the current system doesn’t.
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