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re: DBU origins? Was it Corey Raymond?
Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:05 am to MOT
Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:05 am to MOT
quote:
Definitely not Raymond, it was Cooper.
Cooper was 2009-2011. PP7 was awesome but one player doesn't make a school DBU. The prolific periods was undeniably under Raymond (2012-2021)
Patrick Peterson (2011 5th overall, 138 starts, 3x All-Pro)
Tyrann Mathieu (2013 third round, 89 starts, 2x All-Pro)
Jamal Adams (2017 6th overall, 46 starts, All-Pro)
Tre'Davious White (2017 first round, 47 starts, All-Pro)
Morris Claiborne (2012 6th overall, 74 starts)
Eric Reid (2013 first round, 98 starts)
Donte Jackson (2018 second round, 26 starts)
Jalen Collins (2015 second round, 8 starts)
Jalen Mills (2016 seventh round, 34 starts)
Greedy Williams (2019 second round, 12 starts)
Delvin Breaux (2012 undrafted, 22 starts)
Ron Brooks (2012 fourth round, 8 starts)
Rashard Robinson (2016 fourth round, 15 starts)
Brandon Taylor (2012 third round, 1 start)
Chad Jones (2010 third round)
Danny McCray (2010 undrafted, 10 starts)
Tharold Simon (2013 fifth round, 5 starts)
Kevin Toliver (2018 undrafted, 2 starts)
Chris Hawkins (2010 undrafted)
Craig Loston (2014 undrafted)
Roland Martin (2015 undrafted)
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:59 am to The First Cut
quote:
Cooper was 2009-2011. PP7 was awesome but one player doesn't make a school DBU.
one player?? About half of the 21 guys you listed are Ron Cooper guys
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:12 am to The First Cut
Of the 15 drafted players you listed, 8 were Cooper's.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:40 am to The First Cut
quote:
Cooper was 2009-2011. PP7 was awesome but one player doesn't make a school DBU. The prolific periods was undeniably under Raymond (2012-2021)
Anyone drafted in 2012 didn't play for LSU in 2012. Raymond's first year.
Tyrann was kicked off the team so he didn't play in '12 either.
YOu also forgot:
LaRon Landry Rd1 P6 (STARTED DBU)
Travis Daniels
Chad Jones (injured after draft)
After LaRon, LSU went on a 8 year run of DBs being drafted. And LSU only missed 1 year in 17 with no DBs being taken in the draft.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:46 am to The First Cut
quote:
The prolific periods was undeniably under Raymond (2012-2021)
Patrick Peterson (2011 5th overall, 138 starts, 3x All-Pro)
Tyrann Mathieu (2013 third round, 89 starts, 2x All-Pro)
Jamal Adams (2017 6th overall, 46 starts, All-Pro)
Tre'Davious White (2017 first round, 47 starts, All-Pro)
Morris Claiborne (2012 6th overall, 74 starts)
Eric Reid (2013 first round, 98 starts)
Donte Jackson (2018 second round, 26 starts)
Jalen Collins (2015 second round, 8 starts)
Jalen Mills (2016 seventh round, 34 starts)
Greedy Williams (2019 second round, 12 starts)
Ron Brooks (2012 fourth round, 8 starts)
Rashard Robinson (2016 fourth round, 15 starts)
Brandon Taylor (2012 third round, 1 start)
Chad Jones (2010 third round)
Danny McCray (2010 undrafted, 10 starts)
Tharold Simon (2013 fifth round, 5 starts)
Kevin Toliver (2018 undrafted, 2 starts)
Chris Hawkins (2010 undrafted)
Craig Loston (2014 undrafted)
Roland Martin (2015 undrafted)
Bolded were all Cooper guys
You're' also using draft years and not years they played at LSU. The best era was undeniably with Cooper when we had Peterson, Claiborne, Mathieu, Reid, Brooks, and Taylor all on the same roster
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 1/18/24 at 10:43 am to The First Cut
quote:There are 15 draft picks on your list, 8 from the Cooper era and 7 from Raymond’s, despite Raymond being here three times as long. This isn’t even a debate.
PP7 was awesome but one player doesn't make a school DBU. The prolific periods was undeniably under Raymond (2012-2021)
Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:04 am to The First Cut
quote:Half of those guys you mentioned never played for Raymond.
Cooper was 2009-2011. PP7 was awesome but one player doesn't make a school DBU. The prolific periods was undeniably under Raymond (2012-2021) Patrick Peterson (2011 5th overall, 138 starts, 3x All-Pro) Tyrann Mathieu (2013 third round, 89 starts, 2x All-Pro) Jamal Adams (2017 6th overall, 46 starts, All-Pro) Tre'Davious White (2017 first round, 47 starts, All-Pro) Morris Claiborne (2012 6th overall, 74 starts) Eric Reid (2013 first round, 98 starts) Donte Jackson (2018 second round, 26 starts) Jalen Collins (2015 second round, 8 starts) Jalen Mills (2016 seventh round, 34 starts) Greedy Williams (2019 second round, 12 starts) Delvin Breaux (2012 undrafted, 22 starts) Ron Brooks (2012 fourth round, 8 starts) Rashard Robinson (2016 fourth round, 15 starts) Brandon Taylor (2012 third round, 1 start) Chad Jones (2010 third round) Danny McCray (2010 undrafted, 10 starts) Tharold Simon (2013 fifth round, 5 starts) Kevin Toliver (2018 undrafted, 2 starts) Chris Hawkins (2010 undrafted) Craig Loston (2014 undrafted) Roland Martin (2015 undrafted)
Posted on 1/18/24 at 1:55 pm to The First Cut
quote:
The prolific periods was undeniably under Raymond (2012-2021)
It's true.
Now, as a school with a storied defensive history (which is undeniable, even if we don't have the "championships" - bought, cajoled or otherwise - of other more *ahem* "favored programs), ever since specialization, LSU has had bursts of greatness in the secondary.
From the late 60s surge (Sammy Grezaffi, White Graves, Maurice Leblanc), through the 70s (Casanova, Hodgins, Mike Williams, Burrell, Green, Teal) the 80s (Chris Williams <-still the career interception leader at LSU, McDaniel, Britt, Daniel, Dale, Hobley,
, Jefferson, Jackson, Mayes), even the 90s (Rodney Young, Tory James, Denard Walker) it was rare for LSU to go more than 3 or 4 draft cycles without at least 1 DB going in the draft. There were none between Mark Roman (2000) and Norman LeJeune (2003), but it should be noted that Ryan Clark went undrafted during that period.
2005 is a potential year to start the "DBU" as that was Corey Webster and Travis Daniel the same draft, skipped 2006, then the rush was on:
2007 - Landry
2008 - Chevis and Steltz
2009 - Curt Taylor
2010 - Chad Jones
Others have covered 2011 onward.
Now, in addition to Clark (UFA 2002), other undrafted DBs of note:
1983 - Jesse Myles
1994 - Anthony Marshall
2004 - Randall Gay, Adrian Mayes
2005 - Fred Booker (Marcus Randall
) 2006 - Jack Hunt, Ronnie Prude
2011 - Chris Hawkins
2014 - Poppa Loston
2015 - Delvin Breaux, Ronald Martin
2018 - Kevin Toliver
*Out of order for a reason
1992 - Corey Raymond (
)This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 1:58 pm
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