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re: Would you live in Seattle suburbs?
Posted on 1/25/24 at 7:55 am to AwgustaDawg
Posted on 1/25/24 at 7:55 am to AwgustaDawg
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The Asian food in the PNW is good. Its not Atlanta good. Its not even Augusta Georgia good
You have posted a lot of idiotic rambling in this thread, but this is probably the most ridiculous.
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:01 am to AwgustaDawg
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Thats the point. A permit is needed to take a walk. A permit that costs something AND has to be obtained. To take a walk. I could not have made my point more succinctly.
There are places in the south you need permits to hike (or rather to park) as well. I want to say that the Lake Tuscaloosa park is one and I think the same is true of the Cheaha State Park nearby. There are also parks in several areas where you need both a permit to play any sport as well as proof of insurance. This includes a few parks in the south that I've been to.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:01 am to crazy4lsu
would i live in the seattle suburbs...sure but there are many other places i would prefer. I do not like cold very much, i do not like rain very much.
honestly outside of the midwest....the PNW would prolly be the section of the country i would choose to live in last.
beautiful area though
and even though i have strong political opinions, i do not let them run everything in my life like so many who look at everything through that lense and i try and live by the motto....what happens in the white house doesnt effect what happens in my house.
honestly outside of the midwest....the PNW would prolly be the section of the country i would choose to live in last.
beautiful area though
and even though i have strong political opinions, i do not let them run everything in my life like so many who look at everything through that lense and i try and live by the motto....what happens in the white house doesnt effect what happens in my house.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:03 am to dukke v
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Basically your whole post is based on politics. I just can’t figure out why people let politics run their lives…..
There's politics and then there's far left politics.
We couldn't eat out unless we showed a Vax card during covid.
If you don't agree with your kid's desire for a sex change, the state wants to take your kid.
They want to ban natural gas in the house.
They want to ban gas powered lawn tools.
They want to ban gas powered vehicles.
I don't mind some leftist policies, but the stuff they were doing was too extreme for us.
This post was edited on 1/25/24 at 8:05 am
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:14 am to crazy4lsu
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I paid an amazing price for a home (3/2.5) in a prime location. Literally on the South Sound, extremely close to the water. I can’t think of a location in the south that would match it. At the moment, I would guess it has doubled in value. Similarly, my brother lives in Seattle, and his house (2/2) when it was bought, it was a steal given its location in the center of the city (Beacon Hill). My sister has bought several houses and their main home is in the burbs, with it being a 4000 sq ft home with five or six bedrooms and I think 4 full baths. They paid around 1.2 mil for it, and it is around 15-20 miles from the center of Seattle. I paid 300k, my brother paid near 400k and looking back, both feel like tremendous steals. Seattle and the surrounding areas had some tremendous value in terms of homes in the 2010s. It’s hard to separate how good the location is from the overall value of the home. And I just don’t think that given when I bought, that the added cost from government regulations had a noticeable effect on the price.
I don’t know Atlanta prices nor which areas would be good analogies for these anecdotal examples. I have bought homes since in two metropolitan areas on the East Coast, and it still feels like I’ve I got far more value in the PNW.
We bought a 2000 square foot 4/3 on a half-acre lot with no HOA about 2 hours east of Seattle in 2018. We sold a 3800 square foot 4/3 on 2 acres with a 2400 square foot commercial (3 phase power, 18 foot ceiling) house in SE New Mexico we bought in 2014. We bought a 4300 square foot 5/4-3 car garage on a half acre lot in Georgia in 2021. We paid just under 6 for the house in Washington, sold it for just a little over 8. Paid a little under 4 for the house in New Mexico, sold it for a little under 6. Paid just a little over 4 for the house in Georgia. Its now worth close to 5.5. The one in Washington was in an area with about 100,000 people. The one in New Mexico was in an area with about 35,000 people. The one in Georgia is in a metro area with about 600,000 people and is 2 hours from Atlanta, an hour from Columbia, 3 hours from Charlotte and 4 hours from Jacksonville. School system is better here, far more high tech jobs and as many health care jobs as anyone could want and is a military community which has never known a recession since the 1930s.
More to the point I can buy a fishing license online, buy a bucket of minnows 15 minutes from the house and set out 25 lines to catch crappie if I want to. Couldn't do that in Washington or New Mexico. There ain't any salmon here, thank the christ, but as restricted as salmon fishing is in the PNW there may as well not be any there either. I can also drive about 5 minutes from my house and access 2 of the longest and most scenic nature trails in the SE united states and go for a walk without the government asking me for a damn thing and I can walk 250 feet from my house and access another system of trails that is considered one of the best suburban nature trails in the United States and the only person who knows I am there is my old dog who is with me. I can also take a UL spinning rod with me on these walks and catch full grown bream and no one bats an eye. Its infinitely better here. It isn't as pretty but its pretty enough.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:15 am to go_tigres
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My BIL lives there and likes it. He liberal leaning though.
I'll bet he loves him some soy milk.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:22 am to crazy4lsu
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Thats the point. A permit is needed to take a walk. A permit that costs something AND has to be obtained. To take a walk. I could not have made my point more succinctly.
There are places in the south you need permits to hike (or rather to park) as well. I want to say that the Lake Tuscaloosa park is one and I think the same is true of the Cheaha State Park nearby. There are also parks in several areas where you need both a permit to play any sport as well as proof of insurance. This includes a few parks in the south that I've been to
No doubt. There are many places that charge a user fee in the south. There are almost NONE in the PNW, particularly Washington. A good example is a boat ramp 10 minutes from my house. I pay $50 a year to use it. Has a parking lot the size of a walmart parking lot. Has 8 ramps that are 25 feet wide where 60 foot boats are regularly launched (houseboats), Air conditioned bathrooms with running water, several fish cleaning stations, dockage for about 50 boats, all lit up and secured. In Washington State I paid $80 a year but could launch at any day use ramp operated by the state. They are about 100 miles apart and consist of a gravel bank that has washed out that technically can be used to launcg a boat if you don't mind driving into the water up to the hubs to do so. Parking is wherever you have balls enough to do it as long as the man don't think you oughta and then you will get towed and they don't mark where acceptable parking is. No lights, no docks, no bathrooms, no trashcans....nothing. By the way I could drive another 5 miles in any direction here and access a boat ramp that is $5 a day but they don't mean it, no one pays and no one is ever ticketed.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:28 am to TDawg1313
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There's politics and then there's far left politics.
We couldn't eat out unless we showed a Vax card during covid.
If you don't agree with your kid's desire for a sex change, the state wants to take your kid.
They want to ban natural gas in the house.
They want to ban gas powered lawn tools.
They want to ban gas powered vehicles.
I don't mind some leftist policies, but the stuff they were doing was too extreme for us.
The final straw for me was when the state of Washington closed ALL fishing in March of 2020 due to COVID. I tell this to people here in Georgia and South Carolina and they tell me that is not possible...and it ain't in South Carolina and Georgia. Try to close fishing in the middle of the crappie spawn? Your will die. It not only happened in Washington but they arrested and fined people. Lots of them. I was already nearly fed up due to the restrictions in place on accessing public spaces and land that were in place before COVID. Closing ALL fishing was the final straw for me. Politically I am a progressive in Georgia. In Washington I was a far right nut job...and I was fine with that, but when there is 300 miles of suitable duck hunting habitat that is owned by the people of the United States and only 1.5 miles of it is open to hunting during prescribed conditions? frick that.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:33 am to AwgustaDawg
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We bought a 2000 square foot 4/3 on a half-acre lot with no HOA about 2 hours east of Seattle in 2018.
Where? In Ellensburg? Yakima? That isn't really a reflective of any price point for Western Washington.
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The one in Georgia is in a metro area with about 600,000 people and is 2 hours from Atlanta, an hour from Columbia, 3 hours from Charlotte and 4 hours from Jacksonville. School system is better here, far more high tech jobs and as many health care jobs as anyone could want
Is this relative to Washington or Seattle? Because Yakima is a terrible shithole and is a really terrible basis for comparison.
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is a military community which has never known a recession since the 1930s.
I don't know about a recession, but the PNW, in particular the Sound, has a massive military presence. Some of my neighbors and lots of my friends in the South Sound worked at JBLM.
If your basis of comparison is Yakima, then yeah, I can understand your point of view. But that really, really, really isn't reflective of living in Seattle or the actual Puget Sound area. It certainly isn't considered part of the greater MSA or CSA.
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I can also drive about 5 minutes from my house and access 2 of the longest and most scenic nature trails in the SE united states and go for a walk without the government asking me for a damn thing and I can walk 250 feet from my house and access another system of trails that is considered one of the best suburban nature trails in the United States and the only person who knows I am there is my old dog who is with me. I can also take a UL spinning rod with me on these walks and catch full grown bream and no one bats an eye. Its infinitely better here. It isn't as pretty but its pretty enough.
You seem to be basing your experience as the dispositive example of what living in an area is like, and that seems to be the issue. If the PNW was not your cup of tea, fine, but the notion for paying for permits to hike is not a notion limited to Washington. The seasonal permits were extremely cheap too, to the degree that I've never heard of anyone complaining about that in particular.
This post was edited on 1/25/24 at 8:35 am
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:33 am to AwgustaDawg
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when there is 300 miles of suitable duck hunting habitat that is owned by the people of the United States and only 1.5 miles of it is open to hunting during prescribed conditions?
By the way the staunchest conservatives in Washington are perfectly OK with that situation. They never question it and if someone does they will call that person anything but a son of God. They talk the talk but they are completely fine with the state and federal government doing anything they can dream up. Thats what passes for a conservative in Washington, Idaho, Oregon and Utah. I know some folks think politics do not impact their lives....that is because they live on the east coast or the midwest/gulf coast where the impact is not felt as keenly. Let them live a year in Idaho and if they hunt and fish or even walk to go for a walk they will have a different experience...they may not recognize it but its all to real.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:50 am to crazy4lsu
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Where? In Ellensburg? Yakima? That isn't really a reflective of any price point for Western Washington. Some of my neighbors and lots of my friends in the South Sound worked at JBLM.
Tri Cities - Kennewick address but actually closer to Richland. I was mistaken about the population...its actually closer to 300K than 100K for the entire area.
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Is this relative to Washington or Seattle? Because Yakima is a terrible shithole and is a really terrible basis for comparison.
I would agree, Yakima is a shite hole. Pasco is also on a smaller scale. Spokane is as bad as Yakima.
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I don't know about a recession, but the PNW, in particular the Sound, has a massive military presence.
If your basis of comparison is Yakima, then yeah, I can understand your point of view. But that really, really, really isn't reflective of living in Seattle or the actual Puget Sound area. It certainly isn't considered part of the greater MSA or CSA.
I doubt if there is a state economy in the US which is stronger and more stable than that of Washington and the west side is BOOMING and a fantastic place to live as far as economics goes. Yes, housing is outlandish BUT wages more than make up for it. If I were a young man and not an old man with years of marketable experience which affords me a very nice salary in the south it would be a no brainer for me...I would relocate to Washington and tolerate all of the BS so I could earn Washington wages. I would not think twice about it. There is more to life than high wages though when you are making your nut. That aspect of living in all of the PNW is too much to accept...if you are making a good living elsewhere, something far too many people in the south ain't doing.
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You seem to be basing your experience as the dispositive example of what living in an area is like, and that seems to be the issue. If the PNW was not your cup of tea, fine, but the notion for paying for permits to hike is not a notion limited to Washington. The seasonal permits were extremely cheap too, to the degree that I've never heard of anyone complaining about that in particular.
The fact that no one complains is the point and why it happens. In March of 2020 Washington closed all fishing due to COVID. There were some protests...I went to one in Pasco, there were about 10 other people there. When the police announced we'd be arrested if we did not leave I thought for sure he had it to do. He knew far more about those conservative Washingtonians than I did...they all, every last one of them, did as they were told. I did not, but since I was the only one left the police ignored me because I was more than 6 feet from anyone. Thats the problem...its not only accepted it is defended and encouraged by the people being governed. For those who do not know eastern Washington is GOP country...it ain't the west side. Yet those people are perfectly OK with such antics and will defend them and insist on even more. They relish the idea of public spaces and land being restricted to the public in some sort of twisted sense of ecological ideology...yet they don't balk at those same lands being exploited by industry. It wasn't my cup of tea. The weather alone would have been a stretch, the people being shocked if you spoke to them was weird but there love for regulation was shocking to me...and a deal breaker. I'd tolerate it if I were 30 and had a family and my choices were $100k in Atlanta and $150k in Tacoma but I have other options....
Posted on 1/25/24 at 9:12 am to AwgustaDawg
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Tri Cities - Kennewick address but actually closer to Richland.
I have never thought of that area as '2 hours' east of Seattle.
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The fact that no one complains is the point and why it happens.
The state trails pass is very cheap and I don't think every member of the party needs to have it, so if you go hiking with a group, it becomes barely worth mentioning. At no point in time did I ever think that having a permit for state parks was a problem. The only issue that occurred was figuring out if a trail was managed by the state or by the federal government, the latter requiring a different permit, which was also extremely cheap. Given the quality of the trails, how much fun they were to hike, and the memories I have with friends, it was worth far more than the price of the permit. I'd never thought about getting the permit itself as somehow a hindrance. And given how superb America's national park system is, I would pay far more for it. It is a fantastic system in my experience.
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They relish the idea of public spaces and land being restricted to the public in some sort of twisted sense of ecological ideology...yet they don't balk at those same lands being exploited by industry.
Which federally or state-owned lands were being exploited by industry?
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The weather alone would have been a stretch, the people being shocked if you spoke to them was weird
Weird yes, but also overblown. But again, I have no idea what life is like in Eastern WA.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 9:14 am to AwgustaDawg
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.I went to one in Pasco, there were about 10 other people there
My younger bro lives there. Tri cities area, seems to like it. Lives next to a vineyard which I found kind of surprising in that uber arid region.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 9:15 am to Darth_Vader
quote:I understand you were scarred somehow by your time in the area. It is not "gray" most of the time and certainly not "often at least misting".
Look, save your bullshite for someone who hasn’t spent any time around Seattle. It can be very beautiful at times. But most of the time is overcast, gray, and often at least misting if not out right raining. If you’ve been there for longer than a week you know this.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 9:16 am to AwgustaDawg
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not nearly universally Democrats like they once were they are still about 80% Democrats
Pretty sure the presidential election polls in 16 and 20 prove this not to be true
The majority still vote Dem but its nowhere close to 80%
Posted on 1/25/24 at 9:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
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My younger bro lives there. Tri cities area, seems to like it. Lives next to a vineyard which I found kind of surprising in that uber arid region.
Supposed to be better grape growing environment than any other in the US. There is an area just west of the tri cities that is just being developed in vineyards that is rumored to be the best soil, atmosphere and environment for grapes anywhere on earth. Real estate prices in that area in the time we lived there certainly reflected the value of that land...had we bought 100 acres there when we arrived and sold 2 years later I'd be retired today.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 9:54 am to crazy4lsu
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Which federally or state-owned lands were being exploited by industry?
Almost the entirety of the Columbia Valley.
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The state trails pass is very cheap and I don't think every member of the party needs to have it, so if you go hiking with a group, it becomes barely worth mentioning. At no point in time did I ever think that having a permit for state parks was a problem. The only issue that occurred was figuring out if a trail was managed by the state or by the federal government, the latter requiring a different permit, which was also extremely cheap. Given the quality of the trails, how much fun they were to hike, and the memories I have with friends, it was worth far more than the price of the permit. I'd never thought about getting the permit itself as somehow a hindrance. And given how superb America's national park system is, I would pay far more for it. It is a fantastic system in my experience.
I get it. User fees are the fairest form of taxation there is. The fees are one thing. The bigger issue was and still is access. The state and federal regulatory agencies close access for all manner of reasons, some no doubt legit, they restrict access by actually restricting the number of people allowed access but more likely by severely limiting parking...a favorite ploy...and simply bugging the shite out of people with the proper passes and a place to park. The fact that it is so readily acceptable by the vast majority of people who participate is the issue...it is so normal most have concluded it is the only way. It ain't.
National Parks are great. I'd willing pay 10X the admission fees...but again, they are FAR to restrictive as far as access is concerned considering they belong to the people of the United States, not the national park service. If you live in the area there are far better options hard up against the parks that provide the same experience with far less of the BS. I spend a couple of 5 day weekends a tear in Idaho adjacent to Teton with a buddy and we almost never see another person, catch the shite out of trout, build a fire and drink brown water...all on public land that they haven't thought to restrict access to. This man has lived in the area for 84 years now, knows more about those mountains than any federal employee and I will promise anyone who will listen he holds them in higher regard...they are almost like an appendage to him. If they ever try to restrict his access he will either go to prison or die, he ain't having none of that shite.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 10:01 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Hyperbolic to the point of absurdity. The yearly pass to enjoy almost everything is like $30 - and super easy to get.
I straight up have never felt the government in WA was more intrusive than anywhere else. I lived there for several years, have lived in every region of the country, and I straight up think you are being hyperbolic to a nonsensical extent. Granted I didn’t try to get a hunting license, but I did buy guns, houses, cars, etc. (or just things that would have heavy regulation) and no part of that process felt more onerous than anywhere else.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 10:03 am to AwgustaDawg
quote:Sorry, oysters don't cost 7-10/each anywhere in Washington. The fanciest of fancy restaurants is charging you $3 tops - and that's a fancy restaurant thing - not a Washington thing.
I know, sounds outrageous, right? I can buy a bushel of Apalachicola or Chesapeake oysters this morning that were harvested yesterday for what 3 dozen would cost in an Oyster Bar in Richland Washington (3 hours east of Seattle). I promise you I have eaten MANY $80 a dozen oysters in the PNW. It is the market price in season in oyster bars. The difference in prices at markets is similar. They are very good oysters, vast difference in flavor depending on where they come from, but the harvesting restrictions coupled with the relative scarcity compared to east coast oysters make the price incredible high. They are tastier but that could be psychosomatic based on the price...
And by the way...DO NOT contemplate wading out to an oyster reef and plucking a few and eating them. The locals will have a CONNIPTION fit and the man will act as if you have sodomized his granny. No telling what kind of lynching would follow if anyone actually did it....
Posted on 1/25/24 at 10:04 am to AwgustaDawg
quote:Um, no. Most of those costs are due to scarcity and demand.
I am certain that, unless you were extremely fortunate, when you bought your houses the costs were more than you'd pay for a comparably priced home in the south, no? Most of those added costs are directly related to government regulations.
quote:There's no state income tax, but you might pay a 9% sales tax on vehicles.
The same is true of the tag on your automobiles.
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