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re: 2024 NASCAR Season Thread
Posted on 2/18/24 at 3:25 pm to TigerFred
Posted on 2/18/24 at 3:25 pm to TigerFred
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The NFL just a few weeks ago delayed a playoff game to a Monday because of weather. By the his argument the NFL will never e big time.
The NFL also already had a game scheduled for Monday night and just added another. They had 2 games Saturday, Sunday and Monday because they know no matter when or where they play their games people are going to watch.
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Posted on 2/18/24 at 3:35 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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Guy above said nascar won’t be big time because of this. He got 9 downvotes. His argument has validity.
No it doesn't.
You can't race these cars on a superspeedway in the rain dude
You're being silly.
This post was edited on 2/18/24 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 2/18/24 at 3:37 pm to JG77056
Again, give me a way to fix this? You can’t because oval auto races are inherently at the mercy of the weather. It simply “is” and nothing human beings can do can change it. It’s been this way for 76 years, why is it suddenly an issue now?
Posted on 2/18/24 at 3:47 pm to InkStainedWretch
People(the new fans or in most cases, neophytes) think that these cars are like street cars. No, they're not. They are 3,500lb. intricate machines that run at 180-190 MPH, 3 abreast, 20 deep,& 2 car lengths apart for 160 laps.
It's ignorance.
It's ignorance.
This post was edited on 2/18/24 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 2/18/24 at 3:50 pm to TigerFred
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So NASCAR isn’t big time?
Not really. Look at the ratings.
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The NFL just a few weeks ago delayed a playoff game
A playoff game. And the ratings were likely huge compared to a Monday Daytona 500.
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Rainouts suck. I’ve sat through entire weekends to see two races on a Monday. It happens.
How is this relevant really. You are a fan. I’m a fan, but a TV fan. I’m not on your fan level.
I’ve been to several ATL races, Daytona 500 and Darlington.
But I’m not buying tickets to sit in the rain and then come back Monday to a 2/3 empty venue.
I might buy tix to Phoenix or Vegas where the chance of rainout is less. Anywhere in the east. Nope.
Hey, I know people in this thread are passionate fans. I was excited about the kickoff of the season. I don’t like baseball much and hate basketball. But this weather thing (no way to solve it) is an issue for attracting more people. Just is.
And one more thing, I enjoy this discussion. This board (not this thread) can be so defensive and mean spirited, but I hope this is not taken that way. Great sports talk can be fun. On TD not very much.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 3:51 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Don’t forget the tires have no tread.
Like I said, they don’t run the Indy 500 in the rain either.
Like I said, they don’t run the Indy 500 in the rain either.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 3:52 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Clearly, the time has come to consider domed tracks.
I kid, of course. As I stated earlier, no one can do anything about this.
But, when casual or new fans tune in on race day to watch, and nothing’s there, they move on. Everybody works on Monday afternoons.
I kid, of course. As I stated earlier, no one can do anything about this.
But, when casual or new fans tune in on race day to watch, and nothing’s there, they move on. Everybody works on Monday afternoons.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 3:53 pm to Tigertown in ATL
Then I guess they’re just not going to attract some people. Is what it is. What fans want can’t inherently be paramount when the nature of the sport can’t be changed to make that happen.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 3:54 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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But this weather thing (no way to solve it) is an issue for attracting more people. Just is.
If the weather today ran off any new prospective "fans", then they weren't interested in the first place.
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And one more thing, I enjoy this discussion. This board (not this thread) can be so defensive and mean spirited, but I hope this is not taken that way. Great sports talk can be fun. On TD not very much.
100% in agreement w/ you here. I'm convinced 90% of the people who post on this board absolutely loathe sports.Posted on 2/18/24 at 3:59 pm to Hoodie
To be fair, a lot of people will be out tomorrow due to President's Day.
They can always record it.
They can always record it.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 4:06 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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And one more thing, I enjoy this discussion. This board (not this thread) can be so defensive and mean spirited, but I hope this is not taken that way.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 4:06 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
That is probably the reason they went ahead and postponed quickly.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 4:07 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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If the weather today ran off any new prospective "fans", then they weren't interested in the first place.
See, I’d disagree here. Lots would tune in and watch a Sunday afternoon race but won’t care a lick tomorrow.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 4:16 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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Guy above said nascar won’t be big time because of this. He got 9 downvotes. His argument has validity.
No it doesn't.
There are several things we could debate endlessly about why NASCAR is no longer the 2nd most watched sport in the country, but weather isn't one of them.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 4:34 pm to InkStainedWretch
The short ovals have a rain package now. Doesn’t do much good for Daytona, but used it at least once last season to avoid postponing a race
Posted on 2/18/24 at 4:45 pm to InkStainedWretch
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Then I guess they’re just not going to attract some people. Is what it is. What fans want can’t inherently be paramount when the nature of the sport can’t be changed to make that happen.
This right here. Truly an “it is what it is” situation.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 4:52 pm to InkStainedWretch
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Again, give me a way to fix this? You can’t because oval auto races are inherently at the mercy of the weather. It simply “is” and nothing human beings can do can change it.
There is no way to fix it. Which is exactly the point of my post
Posted on 2/18/24 at 5:35 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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Hard to get new fans when they have to postpone to a weekday afternoon.
You know this works both ways right? Weather has always been part of the sport. Used to be if postponed the race wasn’t telecast during the makeup date.
Nascar became popular because of a massive blizzard locked in so many people and they watched an epic race with a fight.
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The 1979 Daytona 500 was the first live, start-to-finish superspeedway event televised by a major network.
On the last lap, entering the backstretch for the 200th time, leader Donnie Allison and second-running Cale Yarborough began wrecking each other—which led to a perfect-for-TV brawl.
Meanwhile, Richard Petty drove past en route his seventh Daytona 500 victory.
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• As luck would have it, a huge snowstorm on Feb. 17-18 kept most Americans east of the Mississippi River homebound. Streets were almost deserted; basketball and hockey were postponed; many restaurants and theaters closed; interstate travel stalled. Much of the country had nothing to do except watch TV, including America’s biggest stock car race, something many had never seen.
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• Seconds later, CBS cameras caught Allison and Yarborough scuffling at the accident scene. Punches were thrown and helmets were swung as they vented their displeasure with each other. There wasn’t much damage, but two stars fighting was unusual in the “new” NASCAR.
The fight briefly escalated when Bobby Allison arrived to help his brother. In the end, nothing much came of the wreck or the fight except this: all those homebound TV-watchers had something new and exciting to talk about when they returned to work. For many, the ’79 Daytona 500 launched their interest in NASCAR racing.
Later, when asked whether he might fine the drivers for fighting, Bill France Jr. said, “FINE THEM? FINE THEM? Boy, I might give them all a bonus.”
LINK
Posted on 2/18/24 at 6:08 pm to JG77056
So why debate it? Accept it as a given and move on. If the casual fans don’t watch it, they don’t watch it.
IMO a lot of NASCAR’s crazed efforts to “attract new fans” have been destructive. Except for major races like Daytona and Indy, which are more happenings than races, auto racing of all types, not just NASCAR, is a niche sport that can never attract as broad an audience as stick and ball sports that has any foundation to it because you can’t be just a casual fan of it.
Bill France Sr. and Bill France Jr. understood that and were content with their niche. But the village idiot grandson decided they should compete with the NFL, MLB, the NBA and the NHL, plus in today’s landscape with a 24-hour sports news cycle, it’s difficult to be in a niche, if you aren’t growing, growing, growing you’re failing.
I know there have to be new fans for the sport to survive, but at the end of the day auto racing is what it is and you either accept what it is or you don’t.
And if it eventually goes bust, it goes bust. Nothing earthly is eternal or guaranteed.
IMO a lot of NASCAR’s crazed efforts to “attract new fans” have been destructive. Except for major races like Daytona and Indy, which are more happenings than races, auto racing of all types, not just NASCAR, is a niche sport that can never attract as broad an audience as stick and ball sports that has any foundation to it because you can’t be just a casual fan of it.
Bill France Sr. and Bill France Jr. understood that and were content with their niche. But the village idiot grandson decided they should compete with the NFL, MLB, the NBA and the NHL, plus in today’s landscape with a 24-hour sports news cycle, it’s difficult to be in a niche, if you aren’t growing, growing, growing you’re failing.
I know there have to be new fans for the sport to survive, but at the end of the day auto racing is what it is and you either accept what it is or you don’t.
And if it eventually goes bust, it goes bust. Nothing earthly is eternal or guaranteed.
This post was edited on 2/18/24 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 2/18/24 at 6:33 pm to InkStainedWretch
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