re: 2024 NASCAR Season Thread

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Hendrick apologists need to quit their whining

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Thats a big ask

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The number 4 driver at Hendrick had to get his in OT

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Chase the #4 driver at HMS?

GTFOH.

At worst, he's 1B.

Yeah I'm trolling a bit there

He is obviously number 3.

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Nope not really. This only the 2nd or 3rd race I've tuned into watch this year. I still haven't watched one flag to flag. My driver is now in the booth and none of the current drivers really appeal to me. There's a reason I've hardly posted in here this season and now you know why.

So go on and on and post, "melt" when your tiny little brain can't come up with a adequate retort. And continue to give the 9 and the Hendricks cars verbal hand jobs every week. Frankly its your shtick that's gotten old on here, not mine. There's a reason that every post of yours collects DVs like candy collecting flies.

But my statement that it's BS of Nascar to change the race results originally based on the GPS scoring data, that are used for 99.99999% of the race, 30+ seconds after the race has ended, based on an "imaginary" line that we cannot see with our own eyes, is on point and speaks to shenanigans by the head organization. Even is the result they change it to is correct, it's the APPEARANCE of the change that will cause people to questions the action.

So keep calling it a melt. I'm just calling it like I see it, as a "neutral" (it's well know on here that I'm not a fan of the Hendrix stable) observer with no driver in the series that I'm actively pulling for these days....

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Holy melt!! The technology is the same as used for Kentucky Derby (and Tour De France). They never had a race this close in history so it was never a big deal.

The line was explained in the video. I wanted Chris to win but the camera shows the winner clear as day. Its a tough sport and the only driver gifted a win was Hamlin for his illegal start earlier this year.

I will say Fox is horrible in coverage. They went to ads on lap 11 and came back at 18. Then went to ads at lap 24 and came back at 30. When came back they then did some pic in pic with race in small pic and did some driver profiles/stories (as if we don’t know). And all race they cut away from great racing at front to do more driver profiles in a larger window. Its gotten really bad.

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Holy melt!! The technology is the same as used for Kentucky Derby (and Tour De France). They never had a race this close in history so it was never a big deal.

The line was explained in the video. I wanted Chris to win but the camera shows the winner clear as day. Its a tough sport and the only driver gifted a win was Hamlin for his illegal start earlier this year.

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I don't care who's using it. That's not the point I'm making. My point is not to who is the winner or loser of the race, but to the transparency of the finish and the sport. EVERYONE can see the line painted on the track. NOBODY can see "the line" that they were talking about in the twitter video. And notice how the start finish line and the track aren't clearly defined and blurry? So, as fans, how do we know where the line is set in relation to the race track if we cant SEE it? Is it set at the front of the line? The back? 20 feet towards turn four? I don't care how precise it is if I don't know where the "finish line" is. If I were a competitor, this would really bother me. And how do we know as fans that NASCAR isn't manipulating the finishes? As I said, had "the line" been 6 inches toward turn four, the 17 wins. My beef isn't with the outcome, but with the process.

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I don't care who's using it. That's not the point I'm making. My point is not to who is the winner or loser of the race, but to the transparency of the finish and the sport. EVERYONE can see the line painted on the track. NOBODY can see "the line" that they were talking about in the twitter video. And notice how the start finish line and the track aren't clearly defined and blurry? So, as fans, how do we know where the line is set in relation to the race track if we cant SEE it? Is it set at the front of the line? The back? 20 feet towards turn four? I don't care how precise it is if I don't know where the "finish line" is. If I were a competitor, this would really bother me. And how do we know as fans that NASCAR isn't manipulating the finishes? As I said, had "the line" been 6 inches toward turn four, the 17 wins. My beef isn't with the outcome, but with the process.

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You are melting because in the photo finish pic it also shows the 9 car and thats instant tea pot blowing up territory for you. And by association any Hendrick car that wins or does good.

Thats really your melt. Everything else has been explained and even RFK has accepted it. Its used in many sports. The post from Bob P explains in great detail. But your tea pot lid has blown so you rant and melt about it being unfair lol.

Its gonna be ok dude. Nascar has a thousand other problems but this one is covered.

What you should be arguing is if they are so precise in this tech then why did they let Hamlin cheat his win by going early? They had tech to see it and did nothing. Thats a bigger deal imo.

I do want to thank Rowdy for causing the yellow and preventing Hamlin from a win.

Adam Stern just put out a few tweets.

One was about new OEMs would push NASCAR to embrace hybrids.

The other was about Hyundai as a possible OEM.

More OEMs the merrier in my opinion. Only question becomes is the charter situation.

A new OEM opens up 4 new charters. What about a second new OEM?

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You are melting because in the photo finish pic it also shows the 9 car and thats instant tea pot blowing up territory for you. And by association any Hendrick car that wins or does good.

Thats really your melt. Everything else has been explained and even RFK has accepted it. Its used in many sports. The post from Bob P explains in great detail. But your tea pot lid has blown so you rant and melt about it being unfair lol.

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Actually, I hadn't even noticed the 9 in the frame, but keep thinking what you want. It couldn't be farther from what I'm talking about.

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What you should be arguing is if they are so precise in this tech then why did they let Hamlin cheat his win by going early? They had tech to see it and did nothing. Thats a bigger deal imo.

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Well, I didn't watch that race and could care less positive or negative about Hamlin. So I really don't have a beef either way about that one. But you make a good point. Why should Nascar switch the tech they rely on to score the race 99.99999% of the time?

Again, the point of my critique is, and all you aren't smart enough to come to an objective conclusion of it all, is why is the governing body of the sport using a technology to determine wins/losses which cannot be discerned in real time by the fans of the sport? As good as it may be, it introduces a massive perception problem like the one we have now. In the vast majority of races we don't need the tech because the wins and losses are determined by more that 1 inch. But that wasn't the case here.

You pointed out the Kentucky derby and professional cycling. The deference here is in those sports the maximum speed is about 45 miles pr hour. In Nascar, it's about 3-4 times that. At 175 miles per hour, a stock car travels about 257 feet per second. The broadcast framerate on our hd tv's is about 24 frames per second. So every frame, our TV shows they move about 10 feet. Even with the slow motion cameras used by the major networks that are 120hz to 240hz, the cars move 1-2 feet per frame. So even that's not really sufficient to determine a winner at the distances we're talking. So Nascar uses ultrahigh camera and lasers and yada, yada, yada. The problem with high speed cameras is exactly what I already pointed out. When you increase the framerates as high as is needed to stop motion of 175+mph stock cars you lose light capturing ability. That's why the photo finish photo is fuzzy. And these are just the physical and technical limitations that obviously jump off the page. It doesn't even begin to touch on the human influenced factors like alignment of the cameras and the parallax it might introduce.

But keep thinking I'm melting because the 9 car was 3rd, and not with the whole host of problems this system brought to light last night...

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But my statement that it's BS of Nascar to change the race results originally based on the GPS scoring data, that are used for 99.99999% of the race, 30+ seconds after the race has ended, based on an "imaginary" line that we cannot see with our own eyes, is on point and speaks to shenanigans by the head organization. Even is the result they change it to is correct, it's the APPEARANCE of the change that will cause people to questions the action

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Jeff Gluck explained on The Teardown last night that the scoring loop trigger is not directly on the start/finish line since the transponders are on the back of the car.

Normally that difference doesn't matter, but when there is a tight stage or race finish, the high-speed camera at the true start/finish line is always used, just like in Atlanta.

As has been pointed out, it's the same tech used at the Kentucky Derby, and the finish line is purely imaginary; there's nothing painted on the track. Yet I haven't heard any complaints about that result.

I don't believe that many people are questioning the appearance of this change as you are suggesting.