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re: Medieval farmers ate 7000-9000 calories a dsy

Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:29 am to
Posted by mdomingue
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:29 am to
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Just wondering what 9000 calories of food


I am pretty sure there is no real evidence to back that up. The bulk of medieval calories actually came from grains, mostly bread. To hit 7000-9000, you'd need to probably add lots of fats as well.
Posted by Loup
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:32 am to
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To hit 7000-9000, you'd need to probably add lots of fats as well.


That's why I was asking about butter. I know they probably didn't have access to that much pork, beef, or sheep fat. Butter would probably be the go to since you didn't have to slaughter the animal to get it.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:44 am to
How do they know this?
Posted by JoeBobRuby
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:11 am to
All you ignorant doubters should try reading a book.

A more recent, well-documented, and related fact: Men on the Lewis & Clark expedition regularly consumed over 10k per day, with some estimates up to 15k for some men on some days. They hunted every chance they could. Skilled hunters were highly valued.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:51 am to


Brian Shaw consumes 12k calories and he is MASSIVE. 6’8” 400 lbs

I don’t think L&C were exploring with fricking giants
Posted by kciDAtaE
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:04 pm to
I’d like to read this book. Which book did you read that claimed these facts? Also, where did you read 10-15k calorie diets for L&C?
Posted by JoeBobRuby
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:21 pm to
Sure. Get Undaunted Courage based on the journals of both Lewis and Clark. It's a great read.

The calorie estimates were not done by Clark. Only amounts, descriptions, and poundage of food acquired before and during the expedition. Others extrapolated calorie estimates later.

Just as important as the food descriptions by Capt Clark was reading what these men accomplished on a daily basis. Our society today is so soft (myself included) that it's hard to believe what these men did.

ETA: Up to 9 lbs of meat a day for a man per Clark himself. LINK !
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 12:24 pm
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:30 pm to
You said they regularly consumed over 10K calories per day.

Then you post a link that quotes a primary source that says when meat was plentiful, a man could eat 9 lbs of meat in one day. 9 lbs of let's say deer meat is a little over 6K calories. And that's when meat was plentiful.

You should go ahead and retract your first statement.

Posted by JoeBobRuby
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:31 pm to
Although you were being as sassy as I was, I also thought of At Home by Bill Bryson for more insight on daily life in medieval times. No calorie counts but fascinating.
Posted by kciDAtaE
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:41 pm to
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Up to 9 lbs of meat a day for a man per Clark himself


So between bouts of starvation, they encountered a huge amount of meat. Proceeded to gorge themselves and you use this occasion on what they ate everyday?

And it’s still well short of the 10-15k
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:50 pm to
It’s ludicrous and so is the 7k per day for farmers

Bodybuilders and power lifters who are 300 plus pounds and work their arse off have to make themselves miserable to consume that on a daily basis

150 lb farmers and such weren’t coming close
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 1:51 pm
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:55 pm to
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Bodybuilders and power lifters who are 300 plus pounds and work their arse off have to make themselves miserable to consume that on a daily basis

And that’s with easy access to a variety of foods.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:59 pm to
People think. I can eat 7k. Yeh, you likely can for one day

Then the next day is fricking awful. 3 days? Good fricking luck. It takes a huge individual to be able to do that consistently
Posted by brmark70816
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Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:35 pm to
Oh the TV show Alone, there is a big focus on calorie burn. When people are building their shelters or hunting/foraging, the contestants are burning 5k+ a day easily. I can see expenditures sky rocket when everything is manual and you have to walk everywhere. Even worse in cold weather.

They did have access to more calorie dense food as well. French and Italian food are heavy with creams and oils. Someone else mentioned beer and mead, which people drank all day too. Most diets were grain and oat based. I don't believe meat was that prevalent, especially with limited ways to store it..
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:36 pm to
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Primarily bread


Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:45 pm to
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Oh the TV show Alone, there is a big focus on calorie burn. When people are building their shelters or hunting/foraging, the contestants are burning 5k+ a day easily
There is nothing “easy” about burning 5k calories every single day. That’s extreme work.

Lance Armstrong burned roughy 5500-6k calories a day during the Tour de France. That’s as grueling as it gets, and that was for “just” 21 daysThat isn’t really sustainable everyday workloads
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 2:49 pm
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 3:19 pm to
Yeah. I think people are getting confused when it’s said, a person burns up to 5k a day or eats up to x amount. That doesn’t mean they do it everyday for decades on end.

Peak doesn’t equal average. I once slept 20+ hours one day when I was sick. I don’t sleep 20 hours everyday.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96253 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 3:22 pm to
When I was in peak college tennis shape, I would have days burning 5-7k. Definitely not a sustainable life
Posted by BM7133
Raceland, LA
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 4:34 pm to
I don't think anyone commenting understands what grueling physical work for years on end does to a human body. It would be a calorie burning machine. It stands to reason that 7500ish calories per day is at least plausible.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 4:42 pm to
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I don't know if this is true or not but what I do know is that before industrialization took root, people awoke in the morning and worked all fricking day long. They had to eat mass quantities and even then, they were often skinny as shite. Constant, unyielding manual labor will do that to you


If they truly worked that much then there is zero possibility to consume 8000 calories purely due to the amount of time needed to consume 8000 calories. Something has got to give, you don’t work a 12 hr day from dusk til dawn and also have the time to consume 8000 calories.
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