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re: Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore has collapsed - container ship wrecked into it

Posted on 3/26/24 at 2:39 pm to
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 2:39 pm to
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At least it was at 3am and not 3pm


or 6 AM. Imagine if it was bumper to bumper traffic. Terrible enough as is
Posted by tgrbaitn08
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 2:41 pm to
Jones do you know the water depth of where they were and the draft the ship was drawing?
This post was edited on 3/26/24 at 2:42 pm
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 2:41 pm to
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Poor bastards are doing overnight roadwork in Baltimore and are killed… life isn’t fair.


Truly one of the most dangerous jobs in America and it doesn't pay much. Most people are pissed at road construction crews...just a shitty situation.
Posted by JG77056
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 2:41 pm to
The Wire was wrong
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 2:44 pm to
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Port of Baltimore now shut down for at least two years.


Not the time for it but that'll cause an awful lot of supply chain issues. The road is also a major route on the east coast.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 2:45 pm to
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same
my a-hole puckers every time i cross one



Crossed the Sunshine Skyway Monday morning. Every time I cross it I look for wayward barges like the one that took it down in the 80's.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 2:46 pm to
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Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 2:46 pm to
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Hard reverse


I don't know much about big ship wheels but wouldn't they cavitate if moved into full reverse and thus be more or less useless. I also don't know if cargo ships have controllable pitch props either.
Posted by LSU fan 246
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 2:47 pm to
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Posted by LSU fan 246
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 2:51 pm to
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Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 2:52 pm to
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Might be enough to deny limitation of liability.



This is what I saw as juicy:

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In June inspectors found a problem with the ship's machinery but according to the shipping information system Equasis, a more recent examination the Dali, did not identify any deficiencies.


Depending on what those issues were and what the company could prove was done in the way of remediation it might be enough to survive dismissal.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 2:52 pm to
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Anyone know where they can send the car carriers for the next couple of years? This is going to be a pretty big disruption for them.


Savannah, Charleston and Jacksonville all pretty much running over capacity. Going to be a problem for a long time.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 2:54 pm to
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Clearly It was losing power prior to the impact

Wonder why they didn’t drop anchor?


They dropped at least one...helicopter video shows it. One ain't near enough to stop that beast in that tight a situation. Probably ain't enough anchors in baltimore considering how "slowly" it hit the bridge and destroyed it....
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 2:56 pm to
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Usually large vessels will have a right handed fixed propeller. When going astern, especially full astern, the ship will torque with the bow going to starboard and stern to port. You will also have no control and be at the mercy of the vessel



I've seen a number of "experts" claim Titanic likely would have avoided the iceberg had they just gone hard over versus reversing the engines which caused cavitation at the rudders.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 2:59 pm to
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I’m currently in Savannah and have watched a few ships of that size come through up the river and at least half have escorts of some kind.



Savannah River Channel is very narrow compared to that channel.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 3:01 pm to
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nfortunately, immediately we need to put up bumpers or pylons to protect bridge supports on every span that see's ship traffic.


I don't know if there is such a device that can stop that load at that speed....may slow it down enough to limit damage though but stopping a ship is not an easy thing to do.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 3:02 pm to
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. I don't have paid versions of those apps so I don't know if that's


I host a vessel finder antenna on my office and have a free subscription. I’ll shoot you an email
Posted by LSU fan 246
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 3:09 pm to
The Wire memes are great
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 3:11 pm to
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I think about this a lot. Could really cripple an entire region if you hit a few bridges, railways, and key power grid targets.



You wouldn't need an army to invade with. You could slip a group of dedicated individuals across our borders like it was nothing, or radicalize within.

Then, get them what they need and a plan, a time, and ...pop.

All at once, grids go down, railways are crippled, bridges are impassable.

Let the gridlock and chaos do your work for you.

Eerie
Posted by Prominentwon
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 3:12 pm to
It won’t be long before I just remove everyone from my FB. I usually just use it for my own personal photo album. The rest of the nonsense is of no concern to me…..

I have seen so many post that “this sure doesn’t look like an accident to me”. It’s insanely crazy to me how many maritime experts I have on my timeline and the people I’ve read post on X. Listening to these people, this ships stop on a dime like vehicles do
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