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re: Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore has collapsed - container ship wrecked into it

Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:03 pm to
Posted by FleurDeLonestar
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:03 pm to
Litigation as in how they split responsibility for damages/deaths. Obviously the ship owners/operators are going to be hit with the first round of suits, but if a 3rd party company was involved by being called out to inspect issues the ship was having in port that company is likely done for.
Posted by liz18lsu
Naples, FL
Member since Feb 2009
17346 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:06 pm to
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It ain't the bridge that terrifies me it is when you run out of bridge and plunge into the water about 7 miles from shore.


25 minutes to cross, gigantic ships everywhere, no shoulder, sometimes on one side, the two lanes go in opposite directions.

Height 354 ft (107.9 m) (eastbound) 379 ft (115.5 m) (westbound)
Posted by achenator
Member since Oct 2014
2957 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:10 pm to
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You'd think after the 1980 Sunshine Skyway Bridge Collapse in Tampa, they'd have made the effort at other bridges.


These new modern container ships are much bigger than what was around when they rebuilt the skyway. The hulls are severely contoured on the bow for speed. They have huuuuge overhangs. Would be have to be an unbelievable structure to fully protect a bridge pier. Most dolphins are not that high above water level leaving the bow to make contact up high long before the hull of the ship ever does just above the waterline.
Posted by liz18lsu
Naples, FL
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:13 pm to
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These new modern container ships are much bigger than what was around when they rebuilt the skyway. The hulls are severely contoured on the bow for speed. They have huuuuge overhangs. Would be have to be an unbelievable structure to fully protect a bridge pier. Most dolphins are not that high above water level leaving the bow to make contact up high long before the hull of the ship ever does just above the waterline.


The hulls essentially act as a battering ram.
Posted by LooseCannon22282
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:22 pm to
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Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:34 pm to
Here is Lara Logan's fearmongering hottake:

Twitter link but copied in full below

quote:

Multiple intel sources: Baltimore bridge collapse was an “absolutely brilliant strategic attack” on US critical infrastructure - most likely cyber - & our intel agencies know it. In information warfare terms, they just divided the US along the Mason Dixon line exactly like the Civil War.

Second busiest strategic roadway in the nation for hazardous material now down for 4-5 years - which is how long they say it will take to recover. Bridge was built specifically to move hazardous material - fuel, diesel, propane gas, nitrogen, highly flammable materials, chemicals and oversized cargo that cannot fit in the tunnels - that supply chain now crippled.

Make no mistake: this was an extraordinary attack in terms of planning, timing & execution.

The two critical components on that bridge are the two load-bearing pylons on each end, closest to the shore. They are bigger, thicker and deeper than anything else. These are the anchor points and they knew that hitting either one one of them would be a fatal wound to the integrity of the bridge.

Half a mile of bridge went in the river - likely you will have to build a new one. Also caused so much damage to the structural integrity of the bottom concrete part that you cannot see & won’t know until they take the wreckage apart. Structural destruction likely absolute.

Attack perfectly targeted.

“They have figured out how to bring us down. As long as you stay away from the teeth of the US military, you can pick the US apart. We are arrogant and ignorant - lethal combination. Obama said they would fundamentally change America and they did. We are in a free-fall ride on a roller coaster right now - no brakes - just picking up speed.”

The footage shows the cargo ship never got in the approach lane in the channel. You have to be in the channel before you get into that turn. Location was precise/deliberate: chose a bend in the river where you have to slow down and commit yourself - once you are committed in that area there is not enough room to maneuver.

Should have had a harbor pilot to pilot the boat. You are not supposed to traverse any obstacles without the harbor pilot.

They chose a full moon so they would have maximum tidal shift - rise and fall. Brisk flow in that river on a normal day & have had a lot of rain recently so water was already moving along at a good pace.

Hit it with enough kinetic energy to knock the load-bearing pylon out from under the highway - which fatally weakens the span and then 50 percent of the bridge fell into the water.

All these factors when you look at it - this is how you teach people how to do this type of attack and there are so few people left in the system who know this. We have a Junior varsity team on the field.

Tremendous navigational obstruction. Huge logistical nightmare to clean this up. Number of dead is tragic but not the whole measure of the attack.

That kind-of bridge constantly under repair - always at night because there is so much traffic and they cannot obstruct that during the day. So concern is for repair guys who were on foot (out of their vehicles) working who may now be in the water - 48 degrees at most at this time of year.

When you choke off Baltimore you have cut the main north-south hazardous corridor (I95) in half. Now has to go around the city - or go somewhere else.

To move some of that cargo through the tunnel you may be able to get a permit but those are slow to get and require an escort system that is expensive and has to be done at night.

For every $100 dollars that goes into the city, $12 comes from shipping. Believe this will cripple the city of Baltimore at a time when they do not have the resources to recover.
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Posted by TitusCrow
Member since Mar 2020
66 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:38 pm to
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Maritime job placement company BalticShipping shows the captain of the container ship [was] a Ukranian [for four months in 2016].

FIFY


Posted by BrotherEsau
Member since Aug 2011
3504 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:39 pm to
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Ah I didn’t realize you were familiar with every charter party in effect for every vessel in the Port of Baltimore. Carry on then baw…


Never said I was. Just pointing out you can’t recover for a pure economic injury. Now maybe this gets Robins Drydock overturned. But until then, that’s the law baw.
Posted by blue_morrison
Member since Jan 2013
5143 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:41 pm to
Interesting take. Under 24 hours since so I don't think a real determination can be made unless they've already done a good check of the ship systems to see if their mayday was legit.
Posted by BrotherEsau
Member since Aug 2011
3504 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:43 pm to
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I don’t think many people inconvenienced by this will have a legal leg to stand on. I think someone tried a suit for losses when a boat struck the Sunshine Bridge. Accidents like this will fall under maritime law and not civil law. That will restrict anyone wanting to sue to have actual damages and catastrophic losses for example the injured workers, families of the deceased, and the state for the loss of the bridge.


You are correct.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90891 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:43 pm to
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That is absolutely insane that anyone could survive that! Between the fall, debris raining down, and water temperature that's outrageous.


Looked like it mostly fell in sections so if you rode it down the bridge takes the impact on the water and not you. As long as you can swim away or just get lucky a beam doesn’t hit you in the head then survival is pretty likely as long as you’re found or manage to swim ashore before hypothermia sets
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
27161 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:44 pm to
That hurts my head.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25867 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:45 pm to
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a 250 ton Crane Barge or DP Vessel with same could arrive anywhere from one week to one month from now. My educated guess is more than one will be required, with extensive manned diving demolition crews needed.


Shiiiiit. Tell a couple of coonass baws they can sell it for scrap and they will be out there in a 16' jon boat with a surface drive hauling it to shore like a sinker cypress log.


Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62900 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:50 pm to
What's sad is the fact so many "conspiracy theories" (Russian collusion, Covid origins) have been verified over the past few years, that a terrorist attack on the bridge type conspiracy theory now is plausible to many.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40194 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:51 pm to
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Maritime job placement company BalticShipping shows the captain of the container ship is a Ukranian.



This was already disproven. Why do you people keep posting false information?
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25867 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 7:03 pm to
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This was already disproven. Why do you people keep posting false information?


Obviously rhetorical but:



Posted by Krane
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 7:05 pm to
You can do better than that obtuse
Posted by HeadSlash
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 7:08 pm to


Shipping company didn't have insurance?

Or frick the American taxpayers?
Posted by Walt OReilly
Poplarville, MS
Member since Oct 2005
124694 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 7:10 pm to
Crazy this thread isn’t stickied but that dumbass Ukraine thread is
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
37755 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 7:14 pm to
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Shipping company didn't have insurance?

Or frick the American taxpayers?

It's FJB soooooooo .... it goes without saying.
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