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re: The Coming Social Security Crisis
Posted on 3/28/24 at 12:31 pm to lazlodawg
Posted on 3/28/24 at 12:31 pm to lazlodawg
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This sounds like an agreement with the mob.
That's one way to look at it. Another way would be to simply recognize what SS was intended to be and sticking with that.
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Also, this number reflects life expectancy at birth, not life expectancy after reaching adulthood so it's a bit misleading for you to use this as an argument.
I googled "life expectancy" - wasn't misleading anyone. Do you think infant mortality would change the argument? I don't, and didn't before looking for this -
Percent of population surviving from age 21 to 65:
1940 - 57%
1990 - 78%
And that's just to 1990.
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IT IS NOT A CHECK FROM THE GOVERNMENT. It is the government allowing you to have SOME of the money they FORCEFULY TAKE from you back. It's your goddamn money and not a fricking handout you disingenuous frick.
Well, this escalated quickly. Are you okay?
The government has no money of its own. Do you understand that? The government decides how much of your money it will confiscate, and then it turns around and decides how much of your money you'll get back, and in what form you'll receive it. It does this for everything. Social security is just another tax, and social security benefits are just another form of government benefits.
Posted on 3/28/24 at 12:56 pm to David_DJS
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That's one way to look at it. Another way would be to simply recognize what SS was intended to be and sticking with that.
Yes, a defined benefit program. Stick with that.
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I googled "life expectancy" - wasn't misleading anyone. Do you think infant mortality would change the argument? I don't, and didn't before looking for this -
Percent of population surviving from age 21 to 65:
1940 - 57%
1990 - 78%
And that's just to 1990.
You were misleading. You made the statement using life expectancy at birth which supports you stance. Including adult life expectancy does not support your stance as well, so you ignored it and used numbers that helped you instead of ones that didn't help you as much.
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Well, this escalated quickly. Are you okay?
The government has no money of its own. Do you understand that? The government decides how much of your money it will confiscate, and then it turns around and decides how much of your money you'll get back, and in what form you'll receive it. It does this for everything. Social security is just another tax, and social security benefits are just another form of government benefits.
I'm great! Thanks for asking. And to your point - Here, ladies and gentlemen, is a perfect example of the mindset of the socialist. We have polar opposite ideas of what the function of our government was intended to be (and was for most of our history) and what it has turned into. Social security was created as a defined benefit program and sold that way. Why not just take all of it and not pay any benefits then? You are not suggesting that are you? Of course not. You think they should be able to steal some of it. Maybe most of it even. I say they should not be able to steal ANY of it.
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