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re: 'The Fantastic Four’ Casting News: Ralph Ineson is Galactus
Posted on 4/4/24 at 11:31 am to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 4/4/24 at 11:31 am to RLDSC FAN
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Lakeith Stanfield hinted that he was in discussions to portray Silver Surfer in the upcoming 'FANTASTIC FOUR'.
Lakeith Stanfield is awesome. I don't know enough about Silver Surfer to know if he'd have fit the part. But I like him as an actor.
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Posted on 4/4/24 at 11:34 am to JasonMason
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but I don't know why that has to include an alternate female surfer story.
Because it’s an alternate time line, much like how we got Captain Carter as the alternate Cap. This leaves plenty of room for the OG surfer to show up in the main MCU. Also Surfer is hardly big enough for the GA to actually care about her not being the OG one
Posted on 4/4/24 at 11:37 am to SammyTiger
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yall always do this
so I guess have white male actors play
Iron man
Captain america
Spider-man
Hulk
Thor
Hawkeye
Dr Strange
Star Lord
Human Torch
Thing
DareDevil
Loki
Thanos
Sentry
Adam Warlock
Ant-Man
Bucky Barnes
means they hate white guys
That's not the point. It's not a "this many" vs. "this many." It has NOTHING to do with overall numbers. THe problem is you start with that lens and don't move past it. It's your side, if you are defending this, that is upset about "numbers."
All of those dudes should be played by white guys, sans Thanos and Adam Warlock because.... they are white characters. Period. That's the character. That's the history, that's the given identity. People aren't upset because there are not enough white or guy characters, or white guy characters, they are upset because the character is not being portrayed as it should be.
Now CAN there be some flux here and there? Sure. But it shouldn't be in the context of the "Real" character, it can be, like Marvel has done since the 70s, in off-shoot, non-official stuff. No one cared that Peggy Carter was Captain America in the What-If series, because it had nothing to do with the ACTUAL character of Captain America.
That's ALL the reaction is about, same goes for gender. Silver Surfer is a guy and SHOULD be played by a guy. There is no defendable reason to change it. The only reason to change it in the first place is to "make it female" because there are too many guy characters? That's it.
Unless you had a different argument about why a character should be changed from it's original form? I'm willing to listen and debate what the true point is.
But I've never seen a good reason why you should change gender or race. What is the ACTUAL, defendable, understandable reason?
Take Captain America. It worked so well to 1) Have the classic Cap and 2) Bring in Mackie as the new Cap, where the ground work was already laid in the comic.
Had they just started with Classic Cap as a Black Captain America, that would have been a terrible idea.
This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 11:41 am
Posted on 4/4/24 at 11:37 am to dawgfan24348
i’ve probably read more Surfer comics than FF but just arms length it’s such a silly character concept.
An all chrome alien on a fricking surfboard.
He can fly with his… surf board.
and the character isn’t silly and neither are the story lines.
It’s like Reed’s character is always involved in super series Ge is scientist stuff and the he like stretches and you remember “oh yeah he fricking stretches”
An all chrome alien on a fricking surfboard.
He can fly with his… surf board.
and the character isn’t silly and neither are the story lines.
It’s like Reed’s character is always involved in super series Ge is scientist stuff and the he like stretches and you remember “oh yeah he fricking stretches”
Posted on 4/4/24 at 11:41 am to Freauxzen
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But I've never seen a good reason why you should change gender or race.
That’s not what’s happening this is not the original surfer it’s his wife who had a short run as the surfer. It’s also more than likely an alternative universe.
This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 11:41 am
Posted on 4/4/24 at 11:41 am to dawgfan24348
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Because it’s an alternate time line, much like how we got Captain Carter as the alternate Cap. This leaves plenty of room for the OG surfer to show up in the main MCU. Also Surfer is hardly big enough for the GA to actually care about her not being the OG one
I addressed that in earlier posts. I don't want an alternate version of one of the most popular FF related characters. Just save the character for the MCU proper and do Norrin Radd.
I think some of you guys don't have marvel character knowledge that predates the MCU. Silver Surfer is very popular and was even more popular before Marvel intentionally sidelined the FF in the comics. That said he's not really a lead character for a film. They even had a Silver Surfer solo animated series in the 90s. You know who didn't get one of those? Most of the Avengers.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 11:52 am to Freauxzen
Disney wants a slightly
more diverse cast than 100 white guys.
most of the major players in the comics are white men.
and you can argue whether or not diversity for diversity sake is a good thing or not, but you can’t argue that there are tons of good black or female
characters that Disney is ignoring.
now we can sit here and argue on a meta scale if that makes sense, but in world, does it make sense that every superhero is a white male?
more diverse cast than 100 white guys.
most of the major players in the comics are white men.
and you can argue whether or not diversity for diversity sake is a good thing or not, but you can’t argue that there are tons of good black or female
characters that Disney is ignoring.
now we can sit here and argue on a meta scale if that makes sense, but in world, does it make sense that every superhero is a white male?
Posted on 4/4/24 at 11:55 am to SammyTiger
I dont think anyone would care nearly as much if silver surfer was being played by a man of any race. It’s changing the sex of the character. Men and women are inherently different.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 11:57 am to SammyTiger
The bigger point here is that if there's a Silver Surfer in this film then they're going for Galactus to show up in the franchise. I'd guess they'd do like they did with Thanos and Darkseid and build up to it. Hopefully we get a Dr. Doom in the initial film.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 12:01 pm to Fewer Kilometers
I think Galactus definitly has Thanos level potential
I think Doom is a little more interesting
they could introduce both. We get Loki levels of doom as a antagonist and the transitions into the big bad.
I think Doom is a little more interesting
they could introduce both. We get Loki levels of doom as a antagonist and the transitions into the big bad.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 12:03 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Hopefully we get a Dr. Doom in the initial film.
Tranny Dr. Doom only or we boycott!
Posted on 4/4/24 at 12:04 pm to SammyTiger
Sounds like Galactus for sure. They might hold off on Doom.
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Justin Kroll
@krolljvar
Seemed obvious given Silver Surfer involvement but yes Galactus expected to be main villain and that role is currently open with no one in talks or holding offer for role.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 12:08 pm to SammyTiger
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Disney wants a slightly
more diverse cast than 100 white guys.
most of the major players in the comics are white men.
That's not a good enough reason to change the history and the identity though. Again, it shouldn't be about the number, and should be about the character.
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but you can’t argue that there are tons of good black or female
characters that Disney is ignoring.
Yes there are. Miles, Night Thrasher, Patriot, Bishop, Cloak, etc. And we've already seen Cage, Fury, Deathlok, etc. in the universe. And where is poor Blade. There ARE great black characters to use.
And there are a ton of great female characters, and we saw a ton of them already. There was no reason to gender swap Surfer to achieve "balance." As mentioned there was already Frankie Raye to use.
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now we can sit here and argue on a meta scale if that makes sense, but in world, does it make sense that every superhero is a white male?
Of course not, but that doesn't mean you change a well established character. You create a new one - it's that simple.
And I guarantee no one complains about Lakeith Stanfield as Surfer, that would be great casting. Just like no on complained that Laurence Fishburne was.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 12:10 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Galactus expected to be main villain and that role is currently open with no one in talks or holding offer for role.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 12:21 pm to dawgfan24348
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That’s not what’s happening this is not the original surfer it’s his wife who had a short run as the surfer. It’s also more than likely an alternative universe.
Sure this might be ok. But does that mean a whole new FF4 team later too? It's just weird. And I think fans want to see a more complete F4. Everyone is pumped for them to enter the MCU, so it would be a bad move to do an alternate version and ignore it? Or do it and use it long form.
As a point to others being concerned about Pascal, he's solid casting, just weirdly old in comparison to the rest. I think the overall F4 team is good. Pascal is just a tool, that's all. But he'll be good as Reed.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 12:23 pm to Freauxzen
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That's not a good enough reason to change the history and the identity though. Again, it shouldn't be about the number, and should be about the character.
not every character is going to get a movie. not every character is going to make it on the screen.
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Yes there are. Miles, Night Thrasher, Patriot, Bishop, Cloak, etc. And we've already seen Cage, Fury, Deathlok, etc. in the universe. And where is poor Blade. There ARE great black characters to use.
just like Night Thrasher doesn’t get his own comics. I mean come on.
Also, Fury was white in the comics before he became Samuel L Jackson.
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Of course not, but that doesn't mean you change a well established character. You create a new one - it's that simple.
They didn’t make Norrin Radd a woman. they made the herald of galactus a woman. herald’s of galactus are silver looking surfers.
I know that’s pedantic but so are
you.
This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 4/4/24 at 12:23 pm to Freauxzen
We knew it was an alternate universe when they said it would be set in the 60's.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 12:26 pm to SammyTiger
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gerald’s of galactus
Posted on 4/4/24 at 12:27 pm to Green Chili Tiger
frick people are fast
Posted on 4/4/24 at 12:28 pm to SammyTiger
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frick people are fast
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